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09 December 2007

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Angus Fraser

Excellent start by England. There was surprise from quite a few people when England chose to bat but I believe they have been bold throughout which is a good sign. We will only find out whether England's bowlers needed that little bit of assistance that is around on the first morning when they bowl some time tomorrow or even Tuesday. The pitch does look flat.

Do you agree with the Broad and Harmison selections?

Stephen Brenkley

If in doubt bat, if you're still in doubt ask a pal and then bat. If you still have concerns and he says, field, then bat. This is slow and flat but something can be beaten out of it. The weather isn't looking too clever as they say which may change things.
Agreed with both selections. A combination of The Bold and The Desperate (could be the title of an American daytime soap opera) but it feels right. Mind you, they haven't bowled yet.

Angus Fraser

As a bowler I always wanted to bat first - delay the onset of hard work as long as possible. If anyone can beat something out of the pitch it is Harmison. If he is as wayward as he has been than boldness will be seen as desperation.

*&%$ Bell's out. Another quick wicket - Pietersen - and an excellent start becomes 50/50. KP is due a few, oh no he's gone too. What do you think of that dismissal.

Stephen Brenkley

Well, controversy in Colombo. Pietersen edges Vaas to slip, Silva makes a porridge of taking a low catch low in front of him. He clutches the ball, then it bounds out behind him, with Sangakkara from first slip eventually intervening. After consultation with his colleague Aleem Dar,umpire Harper puts up his finger. As Pietersen makes his the big screed shows a replay. The ball hit the ground as Silva made his first attempt. Pietersen - wrongly - stops. Harper puits up his finger again. But a rum decision, reflecting well on none of the parties involved, batsman, fielders, umpires.
England in trouble.

Stephen Brenkley

After copious replays, the press box is split, though in favour of its being a clean catch. Which means the Sri Lankans were entirely within their rights, the umpires were correct and Pietersen, being waved at by his colleagues on the dressing room balcony as he walked back, was in the wrong. Once the umpire put his finger up, he was out. Had Harper and Dar referred that the chances are it would have been not out on the grounds of reasonable doubt created by image foreshortening. The pictures are not quite conclusive and the fans in the ground are still convinced Pietersen was badly done to.

Angus Fraser

Are you convinced that the ball hit the ground - I'm not. How could Silva have flicked the ball up unless he had fingers underneath the ball. The ball had no momentum at the time. We have seen on tv - Tony Greig - examples of the ball looking as though it was touching the turf with Graig having his fingers underneath the ball.

KP should not have stopped - it is the second time he has done this, the other occasion was at Lord's last summer against India. He could well be in trouble for that. Yes, all England's good work of the morning is now in danger of being spoilt.

Stephen Brenkley

The point here is not: "Are you convinced that it hit the ground?" The point is: "Are you convinced that it did not?"
However, that has become almost an irrelevance. You're right about Pietersen, a super batsman. I suspect that he can only have stopped his (reluctant) stroll back because he was receiving signals from the dressing room, signals they had no right to give. England, as an old aunt used to say, ought to mind their manners. There exists a perpetual if fairly meaningless debate in cricket about whether players should walk when they know they are out. Given that they don't, they should categorically walk when they are given out. Otherwise, we shall have anarchy.

Angus Fraser

It just goes to show how important a player's reaction is. Whether the umpire is right or wrong the player has to accept his decision. If they don't it will be anarchy out there.

The England players will convince themselves that they were on the wrong end of a poor decision but I am not convinced.The important thing is they do not allow it to affect them, and it appears it hasn't watching Collingwood bat. He has put some much needed vigour back in their batting. When Bell and Cook were together England were going nowhere.

nj

The TV replay simply does not support Silva taking the ball cleanly - and this is after watching it multiple times. The ball clearly IS touching the ground as he takes it. I am sorry, but this really ought to get Silva summoned to the match umpire for a dishonest appeal. As for flicking a ball up without a finger curled under it, it is easy to do, so long as you grip the sides reasonably tightly. Try it with an apple or orange sometime. It really is quite easy. The umpires made a hash of this, helped by an appeal which was simply shameless.

olympian

Well, I agree (after field testing in laboratory conditions) that you can flick up an apple using the grip suggested by nj. Given the curvature of a ball, you don't need a finger all the way under to pull it up. I tend to also agree that the Silva catch was not taken cleanly, although I doubt the referee will do anything about it. Pietersen should not have lingered - but he may have thought that the umpire was asking for a replay after all. It would be ironic if he got summoned and fined, and Silva escaped scot-free. I can't honestly see how Silva could have taken it cleanly - and this is after watching numerous reruns. The TV commentators (including Jayasuriya) seemed to agree that it was not a clean catch, and should have called forth a replay, which would have produced a not out result. Couple that with Cook's wretched LBW decision, and the umpires have had a poor day at best. The one thing England must do is to take a steely determination to annihilate Sri Lanka into day 2. Sri Lanka have done little to earn their wickets, and you can argue that 3 of them were effectively gifts from Umpire Blunder (counting Bopara in the aftermath of the Cook LBW idiocy). England should remember this, and be determined to post a lot more runs tomorrow.

M.Harvie

All this controversy is because umpires are not given the discretion to access technology when they believe they need it as an aid to making a decision. Commentators, spectators and TV watchers have the luxury of multiple replays. Umpires do not. Even the esteemed Fraser and Brenckley initially disagreed on whether it was a clean catch or not. Do not blame the umpires. Blame the fuddy duddys who come up with the rules. With the exception of run outs and boundary decisions, umpires have very little discretionary access to technology. All of us should try being correct all the time in relation to incidents that last fractions of a second. Perhaps the ICL can pioneer the enhanced use of technology.

Stephen Brenkley

See what a nest of vipers you get when you put the cat among the pigeons. It was poor umpiring. I guess they could both claim to have been unsighted. Look where being honest got 'em. Silva should not be cautioned. Do not forget that he and his colleagues appealed knowing that television could prove that he was actually cheating. Olympian, nj and M. Harvie all seem convinced that the telly was conclusive. It wasn't, though I'm still on England's side in respect that it was not out. But other factors came into play. Kevin should have gone without questioning, no question. Players cannot have it all ways, no matter how sorry one feels for them in this instance. Read piece in Indy tomorrow. Incidentally, memory says that Fraser was one of the fuddy-duddies who came up with the regulations.

olympian

Mr Brenkley, the vast majority of commentators seem to accept that the decision was, at minimum, not one about which, being charitable, the umpires could have been certain. Under those conditions, surely the batsman should be declared not out? Moreover, there is a difference between honest doubt, and a reckless attempt to disguise uncertainty as knowledge via consultation. KP should have just walked - true, but for all we know, the England dressing room thought that a replay had been requested and so would naturally tell him to wait. What would any reasonable player do then? Incidentally, can I congratulate you on achieving an astounding mixed metaphor with your vipers, cats, and pigeons all coexisting in unwonted harmony? I do think it is a bit unkind of you to remind us of the fuddy-duddicity of poor old Gus. What happened to allowing old soldiers to simply fade away?

Angus Fraser

Where do we start. Cheers Olympian, at 42 I still hope I have something worthwhile to offer, but no offence taken.

nj, I would disagree that the replays confirmed that the ball touched the ground. Television pictures tell lies that is why the ICC will not use them for decision making. From a gantry high up in the air the camera always looks down on the incident and therefore there is no depth to the vision. Tony Greig and Dermot Reeve have performed experiments where the camera suggests the ball is touching the ground when they are actually holding it an inch above it.

Television replays, as of yet, are not good enough to be relied on except for line decisions, and even then when the actual moment the stumps are broken is mid-frame it can be difficult to see exactly what took place.

The orange theory sounds good in your front room but you try doing that diving full length to your left with an object that is travelleing to you at 80 mph. You don't have time to think, you just do it. I cannot be 100 per cent certain that the ball did not touch the ground but my gut feeling is that the umpires made the right decision. Had it been referred to a thrid umpire it would have been given not out, and that would probably have been the wrong decision. Where is the justice in that.

M.Harvie, welcome. As you may have gathered I am not a huge fan of technology. do we want the game to be driven by television executives or do we want it to remain the same as it has been for decades. If you use technology you have to go the whole hog. To eliminate any chance of error every appeal must be referred and the players will appeal for everything. Why not you have nothing to lose. The game would then come to a standstill on far too many occasions. Referring all decisions was trialed in the Australia v World eleven Test in Sydney some time ago. In one over three appeals were referred, taking approximately five minutes and by the end of it all the crowd were booing.

Add to this the cost of having independent cameras, officials checking the cameras - the mat used can be made wider or narrower if you wanted and the snickometer requires a technician to match the sound and the pictures together. Cricket would become very mucky.

It is disappointing when mistakes are made but I want cricket to retain a human touch, not become a game that is analysed and treated as though it were a surgical operation. Mistakes are made, they even themselves out, get on with it.

olympian

Hi Gus, I must admit that I was misled by your photograph, as well as Mr Brenkley. I am sure that you have many things to offer at 42, and I hope you attain many times that age in the pink of health. I think you are being a bit dogmatic on the finger under the ball theory. Knocking a ball up does not require a finger under the absolute bottom of the ball, given the ball's curvature. It seems to me that nj has a point that is valid in terms of physics, and cricket reality. As for the actual dismissal, Pietersen was very clear that he saw the ball bounce, and he was closer than the cameras, and the umpires. What then is truth?
I have to say that your all-or-nothing claim on technology seems to oversimplify the argument. Give the umpires discretion over when technology is used, and allow them to use it as an assistent, not a master. This does not mean that every decision is referred - only those where it is tight (as in some run outs) and where the umpire genuinely needs a second look to be fair. Of course, players should NOT be allowed to appeal. However, I really don't think that all-or-nothing is a fair response to this situation. Even now, when technology is used, we don't use it for everything - but it does have a limited role. What price then all or nothing?

anotherdayanotherduck

I keep hearing people say that umpiring errors even out - but I never see any proof of it. Could the panel supply some clear examples?

Angus Fraser

Olympian, I here where you are coming from. Pietersen is one of the more honest players in the game but he doesn't walk when he knows that he has hit the ball. Sadly, players cannot be trusted. On the technology debate; as you know I am not in favour of it because if it is brought in for most if not all decisions cricket will have to put a line in the record books and say we start again from here.

As a result of technology being used more wickets will be given, scores will come down and games will be shorter. Imagine how many wickets Warne or Murali would have taken if all the lbw appeals they have had were referred to a third umpire. Both would be close to 1,000.

anotherdayanotherduck, Vaughan in Kandy is an example. In the first innings he should probably have been given out for 0 lbw to Malinga, yet he was unfortunate to be given out caught off Murali. The thing is people only remember the outs, not outs are quickly forgotten.

anotherdayanotherduck

I wonder whether one example is really enough to prove a case. Also, I think England lost out badly in their first innings here because of two bad decisions by Harper, who simply is not elite quality as an umpire. Will that even out later? I very much doubt it - and sometimes that little extra is all it takes to lose a game. In a three match series, I really do not think such things balance out. On a point of order: what makes Pietersen "honest" if he does not walk when he knows he has hit it?

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