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12 December 2007

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Angus Fraser

If an owner treated a dog like Sri Lanka are England, allowing them to slowly fry under a hot sun, he would be locked up. The last hour of the lunch/tea session has knocked the stuffing out of England and they absolutely shattered. But this is what Test match cricket is all about - wearing an opponent down before jumping in for the kill.

Slightly surprised Sri Lanka have not been more positive with the bat. When do you thinks they will declare? If England could hold on for a draw the match at Galle, on a virgin pitch, could be a lottery and the series could be drawn. Or are we clutching at straws.

Stephen Brenkley

Clutching like a man who has already gone under twice, I'm afraid. The press box is split. Some think Sri Lanka should have declared. I'm with the minority - grind England down and then make 'em suffer. For England to draw they will have to bat above themselves. Another hour may or may not have been more difficult. But they are so spent now..... Sri Lanka to win.

olympian

Well, I think Jayawardene is not the most enterprising of captains, and his timidity may well work against him here. The pitch is taking some spin, but England may well manage the escape that they came close to in the Kandy test match. If they do, Jayawardene will be rightly blamed for wasting time (and, in the process, producing excruciatingly dull cricket at points). Will Murali win the game for them? He has taken wickets, but often quite slowly, and looks less of a terror than he once was. With some discipline by England (and some competence by Harper!) I would back England to save this one. Looking further ahead, one has to ask whether Sri Lanka will be ompetitive once Murali retires (surely in the next three years). My guess is that they will draw most of their home series, and win one Test in five abroad. They bat well on flat pitches, but their bowling, without Murali, looks inconsistent. Vaas is a veteran, also due to retire soon, and then the cupboard really does start to look bare.

Angus Fraser

I can't disagree with you there Stephen. Sir Ian Botham can't believe what they are doing but I get the feeling he was hoping to play golf tomorrow afternoon. England can save the game - the forecast is a bit dodgy tomorrow - but it would take a supreme effort. They won't if Murali comes in to his own though.

nj

Suffering? Yes, and no. The old line by Nietszche about what does not kill me makes me stronger comes to mind. I would argue that Vaughan and Cook are tough enough to deal with the punishment, and that Sri Lanka have lost the hours when the ball might do a little, and will now be bowling in the heat, on a flat pitch. This may mean no new ball next morning, when it would be more dangerous. The bowlers will be more than a bit weary tonight, but these are fit, young sportsmen, and I don't see them collapsing at the wicket. What matters now is attitude. If England steel themselves and regard gaining a draw here as a victory, then they can do it. If they deapair and try and go out in a blaze of glory with some reckless shots, then no chance. Think of how Sri Lanka will feel if they don't win, after wasting so much time for pointless runs.

Stephen Brenkley

England to draw, eh. Well, I'd certainly like to think so, but Mahela, I suspect, knows what he's doing. Dull cricket? This is Test cricket, sometimes a campaign of attrition to seek advantage. Sometimes that means dull, I'm afraid. The cupboard might look bare now, but then Australia's seemed hardly overstocked when Warne and McGrath retired. Usually, somebody comes along. Mahela thinks they have some bowlers coming through. I hope you're right but sadly I have to fear the worst for England right now.

olympian

I suspect Jaywardene is planning to give England half an hour at the end of the day. Awkward, but not impossible. But time is surely more important than Jayawardene appears to believe. This leisurely march onwards is beginning to look rather silly. Every over Jayawardene wastes is now a gain for England.

Angus Fraser

These situations are hard for batsmen. The mind is always willing but on many occasions the body does not respond as you would like. A scenario - a weary Alastair Cook is slightly late in to position to a fresh Chaminda Vaas, it beats the bat - out lbw. It happens so many times - not always to Cook - late in the day.

The current England side is far more resilient to that a decade or so ago but it will be tough this evening when SL declare.

nj

Well, I am still going to put my faith in the draw. Out of interest, where do the commentators feel England really are in terms of their standing in the Test world? Are they in development? Sinking back? Still more or less worth number 2 in the world? I feel the one day side is getting its act together, but that the Test side is still trying to recover from the injuries to Jones and Flintoff, while the batting is getting stronger, but lacks some experience. I am very heartened by Prior's dramatic improvement, but slightly depressed by the unpredictable nature of Ian Bell. How does he look so good one game, and then so mediocre then next?

stephenbrenkley

Sadly, Nietszche is not the usual reading in the England dressing room. Dear Deidre, the Sun agony column, I understand, is. N and D have much in common, of course, so if England are still batting tomorrow night (and SL have at last declared 197 ahead with nine down) it could be Deidre wot done it. The pitch by the way, nj, is flat than it was. It will turn and, out of the rough, bounce.

anotherdayanotherduck

Alas, I fear England to lose by an hour after teatime. I just don't think that they quite have enough self-belief for a dour dogged struggle like this. I think that they should be encouraged by the determination of the bowlers on a nothing track that really should not be used for Test cricket. Sorry, but this sort of pitch really is a waste of time. It works if you have the unique Murali, but without him, Sri Lanka are never going to bowl sides out on this sort of track. I would guess that no side in the world without Murali would have much to gain here. Post Murali, my bet is that games here are almost always going to be very dull draws, with numerous meaningless hundreds. Dig it up, and start again.

StephenBrenkley

Australia remain so far ahead of the rest, though less outstanding than once they were, that the judgement on the rest is clouded. England may still be - just - number two amid a group which is much of a muchness in terms of overall ability. England are rebuilding and it will take time. Bell is infuriating but he is also a class act. He remains unsure of how best to stamp his authority. Another enigma in the making maybe.

nj

Hmm, I would never have picked the Sun to host a columnist with a fine German style who was essential to the development of modern philosophy. Still, perhaps there is hope for us all! What next, an autobiography actually written by the player in question? I agree the pitch is turning, although bounce out of the rough is not really unusual. I think that England have done better against Murali, and that come tomorrow we shall see them grinding him down more than was previously the case. Unless Vaas can get the new ball to do something, I believe England will survive with 4 wickets in hand.

Angus Fraser

England's Test side seem to be in a bit of limbo. Since the Ashes win of 2005 they have won 2, drawn 3 and lost 2 series. They have been clutching on to the fact that Jones, Giles, Flintoff would regain fitness but it has not happened.

Under their new coach Moores, who is an impressive man, they have accepted this and are trying to move forward but it is hard with quite a few young players. We were the second best Test side in the world but I am not so sure now.

The one-day team show encourageing signs for the first time in a long time but they have some way to go before we can consider them to be a good side.

StephenBrenkley

Australia remain so far ahead of the rest, though less outstanding than once they were, that the judgement on the rest is clouded. England may still be - just - number two amid a group which is much of a muchness in terms of overall ability. England are rebuilding and it will take time. Bell is infuriating but he is also a class act. He remains unsure of how best to stamp his authority. Another enigma in the making maybe.

Angus Fraser

Cricket needs a few superstars to come through because they have lost too many in the past couple of years - Lara, Warne, McGrath, Inzy - and a couple more will go soon - Gilchrist, Tendulkar, Murali. Who will replace them; Pietersen, Asif, AB de Villiers, Dhoni, Morkel, Bravo, Michael Clarke. There are not that many about.

anotherdayanotherduck

Are you saying players don't write their own books? The horror of it! Next you'll say they don't write their own columns... I suppose we should not ask about whether people actually read the Sun? As for Bell, perhaps he is destined to be the great tease of England batting. Funny, because he seems to be straightforward as a person, very determined, and obviously has a good technique. I was amazed by his latest innings. Is it a matter of rhythm - that he can sometimes lose that rhythm, gets bogged down, and then doesn't know quite what to do? (Not very scientific, I know!). I reckon though that Prior has made the wicketkeeper's post his own for the future - and with some style. If England can get the bowlers fit, and the batsmen are a bit more experienced,they might really look like number two - and perhaps challenge Australia. I just don't think Australia have the bowling attack to dominate any longer.

olympian

Superstars? Well, I would not put Bravo on the list. Has the talent, but lacks application. I agree with Pietersen and Asif, maybe Dhoni. The others are fine players - but do they have the charisma to really be superstars? I thought Sree Santh might go somewhere, but he seems to have fallen for his own mind games versus Australia.

Angus Fraser

The Australia v Sri Lanka series was not a true reflection of their health. It will be interesting to see how their bowlers respond when they are bowled out for 220 on a flat pitch. Warne and McGrath will be missed.

Brenks, do you think something like D.Pringle's unfair mauling of Bell in the Telegraph for the shot he played in Kandy could have affected the way he batted in the first innings? We know he read it.

nj

I was impressed by Broad. Not so many wickets, but bowled well on the flat excuse for a pitch that was all he had to work with. He seems to have a good attitude, and I suspect he really will be one for the future. On the superstars issue - surely you would have to include Sangakkara?

anotherdayanotherduck

I agree about Broad, but we should say that Harmison had his best day for most of the last two years. He really worked incredibly hard, and deserved more than he got. Could this be Harmy's Second Coming?

stephenbrenkley

Bell is desperate to do well for England. Somewhere inside he knows it has beenm his destiny since the age of around 12. He read the Telepgraph piece - too harsh - but then came back in the second innings at Kandy. I shouldn't think he listens for a moment to what I have to say but I did mention to him after Kandy and before Colombo that it was all very well trying to impose yourself but you could not do that back in the pavilion. Bell must play his own game but I fear that he is receiving so much advice that he may not know what that is. I still have the greatest hopes. As Ian pointed out, Kumar Sangakkara, four years older, has made huge advances in the past 18 months. He believes (and for what it's worth so do I) that he is one big, meaningful score away from the breakthrough that counts.

stephenbrenkley

Patience is needed for this England side. Vaughan refers to their shortage of expertise. Harmison was super, thriving on the overs. Broad is a work in progress but he has self-belief, uncluttered by Nietszche or, probably, Deidre.

nj

When it comes to Bell receiving too much advice, you'd have to feel sympathy for anyone who has Boycott in one ear and Botham in the other!

olympian

Mr Brenkley, are we to infer that you are not a fan of the great Friedrich? Say it ain't so! Please, leave me some illusions!

stephenbrenkley

nf, If I implied that, I apologise. In Bell's case, one wonders indeed if there is not a slight case of: The lonely one offers his hand too quickly to whomever he encounters.

nj

An elegant response, Mr Brenkley! It is interesting to contrast Bell and Cook. Both have received predictions of golden futures. Cook looks utterly unruffled, and obviously loves building an innings. Bell might have more natural talent - but perhaps knows it. I think that he was probably thrown in a year too early - and may have sustained some damage to his self-confidence. On the Test match - bad light stops play! Jayawardene did bat for 30-40 minutes too long, in my opinion.

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