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24 March 2008

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Angus Fraser

Indeed you can. At last a couple of players knuckled down and made the most of favourable conditions and moderate bowling. They were contrasting hundreds Strauss' was typically workmanlike. He is a fighter and it was a case of mind over matter. That innings meant a lot to him as could be seen from his rather violent celebrations.

Bell's innings was beautiful - pure class. Nobody has doubted his ability just his temperament and his penchant for giving his wicket away too easily. Bell timed the ball superbly - it was as though he had a rocket auncher in his hand.

If both had failed again, at least one of them would have gone, so they will be two tired but very happy bunnies in Napier last night.

The innings create an interesting scenario though. For the first Test next summer should Strauss open and Vaughan return to three. And Strauss' form if it continues to be good, puts Vaughan's position as captain under greater threat. Strauss, I would guess, is the only person the selectors would seriously consider replacing him with.

Stephen Brenkley

The chance has gone now but had the selectors acted as they should, Strauss would already be captain of England. Michael Vaughan's efforts to recover from his knee injury were admirable but it was ridiculous that the team were kept in limbo while he did so. It partly explains their recent uneven form. But Vaughan it is. However, if the selectors mess around with the order again it really will be to suit the captain.
On this showing, Bell has it in him to be the most formidable batsman over the next decade. But 110 should still have been 150.
We seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest over a certain opinionated Yorkshireman.

Angus Fraser

Indeed we do. He has not been the first Yorkshireman to like the sound of his own voise and he won't be the last judging by Darren Gough. I had a problem with Ray Illingworth when he was Chairman of selectors. Like a lot of Yorkshiremen they say 'I say what I think and if you don't ike it, unlucky'. My experience tells me thay are fine when no one has a go back at them but when you do they don't like it a lot. By the way I was born in Wigan, on the right side of the Pennines. But Lancastrians are amost as bad too.

That is the frustration of Bell. You see so much and you want to see so much more because he has it in him to be, as you say, a formidable batsman. I wouldn't blame him for getting out today. Quick runs were needed and he was trying to do the right thing by the team.

Lucas

Well done Strauss, having called for his head I'm more than happy to now congratulate him (a la the Yorkshireman?)

Seriously though, it had crossed my mind some weeks ago that Strauss was being persisted with despite all evidence because the selectors want the next captain ready to go. Vaughan might last less time than many think.

Stephen Brenkley

But he got out.
So, the question remains. We have spent two days - and many before that - suggesting it was time for change in the England side. Our correspondents agreed unanimously. What then should happen now. The statistics for the series have taken on an entirely different hue. Four of the top six are suddenly averaging above 40 and the other two are the openers. Is it now a middle order for the ages?

Angus Fraser

Lucas, you make an interesting point about Vaughan. If Strauss continues scoring runs suddenly he will come under greater pressure. The lack of an alternative captain has made his position strong but now there could be an alternative.

Things do change though Stephen. Players are dropped because selectors no longer feel they have it in them to put in potentially match winning performances. When they do life returns to normal again. of course there is the odd exception but generally this is true.

The only thing you question is the loyalty and faith shown by the selectors. At times they get it wrong. Here, arguably, they got it right. As long as every player gets the same treatment there is not a problem.

If the media or supporters picked teams there would be no continuity. we love debating things, and quite rightly so, but the selectors have to sift through it all and come through with a policy.

Look at me, after one innings i'm already talking about Strauss possibly replacing Vaughan as captain.

Lucas

Stephen, I think all the top six (bar perhaps Pietersen) should remain under scrutiny. They've cashed in - well done to them - but on a flat track and against a toothless attack.

Despite what I said about the captaincy, it's important Strauss' innings doesn't mean he can now be mediocre for the whole summer with no threat of being dropped - same goes for Bell.

As an example, for some years this is what happened with Mark Waugh. On the basis of 'we all know what he's capable of' he was retained time and again through very poor form. He ended up with a career average of 41.8 - really below average by Australian batting standards. But through each trough he was retained until - the law of averages being what it is - he got another good score, and thus bought himself another 6 months or so. (Remember I'm referring to the latter part of his career). Is this what Strauss or Bell will do? It's now generally recognised that Mark Waugh was kept on for a year or even two beyond what he should have been. It didn't affect overall test results, but it did have the effect of severely limiting the test careers of players like Darren Lehmann and, to a lesser extent, Stuart Law and Martin Love - Lehmann and Love, in particular, probably as fine batsmen as Mark Waugh ever was, but never as favoured by selectors or circumstances.

So in summary I think yes, pressure should still be on the top six.

Stephen Brenkley

Had England lost this series they would have lost four of the last five in which Vaughan had been their captain. But he had to win here and he has. Therefore ....
It is the selectors' job, however, to work out if he is the man to lead England - and that this is the team he ought to be leading - in the sterner challenges featuring South Africa later this summer, India in the winter and Australia to follow next summer. They have to do this knowing that losing any or all of those would put their heads firmly on the block in this brave new world of selection.

Angus Fraser

Lucas,
I hear what you are saying with Mark Waugh and i'm not sure where i sit. He was a very good player but as you say his record is modest compared to other Australians. i happen to believe he was a better player than Lehmann, Law and Love but who knows what they may have done given a good run.

Yes, of course the top six shoud be kept under pressure but at least, for a while, they will not enter each innings fearing it could be their last, because that is not heathy either.

I agree with you Stephen Vaughan's position as captain needs to be looked at as closely as that of players who fail to score runs. Ashes winning captains carry a certain aura in many peoples eyes but they should not be untouchable. Look a Mike Gatting's record he won two out of 20 odd Tests in charge yet he is looked at as a legend.

Stephen Brenkley

Vaughan is (was?) a bold, innovative captain and easy, natural leader. What I find difficult to accept is the aura of untouchability that has been allowed to build around him and which, if he has not encouraged he has hardly resisted (perfectly human).
The waters have been muddied somewhat. Two perfectly good hundreds, of contrasting nature, scored by men under pressure, but against an attack that contained a debutant 19-year-old fast bowler, albeit one of immense promise and a third seamer who in all conscience could not be said to be up to the job in Tests.
And Gatt is a legend.

Angus Fraser

Yes, Grant Elliott is rather inocuous. Facing him on a flat one is a nice way of regaining form. It would be like bowling at Chris Martin and Monty Panesar for 1/2 hour.

nickzi

Call me ungrateful, if you like, but I don't think these two hundreds do more than buy a little more time for the top six. I'd like to think it would boost confidence and let them turn things around permanently, but I really hesitate to judge that the boys are back after making runs on a fairly flat pitch, under blue skies, and with what must be one of even New Zealand's least menacing attacks in years. All praise to Strauss and Bell for getting the runs, but I hope the selectors make it clear that this is the start of saving their careers, and that one innings is not sufficient. In other words, you better produce the goods consistently in the next three Tests, or you can forget about having the whole summer to get another hundred.

zilifant

Hmmm.. which would be more tempting... half an hour to bowl at Fraser, or half an hour to bat against Brenkley... *s*

Stephen Brenkley

Nickzi seems to echo the consensus, and he perhaps ought also to know that I've been working on my zooter.

zilifant

Hmmm, zooter is it? Well, I've been refining my eight ways up and down reversible parasweep, so there!

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