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15 March 2008

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Angus Fraser

It probably will be enough to save Strauss, especially if England win. He did scratch around but he fought and was possibly a tad unlucky to be given out lbw. The ball just, only just, pitched outside leg stump. Mike Atherton always said that the most important innings he played were ugly 40's because they gave him another chance to get it right in the next Test.

The batsmen have a bit more of an excuse here because the pitch is constantly doing something but the inability to post hundreds is a concern. It's obviously a mental thing a bit like Stephen Flemings through his entire career perhaps. I bet when one gets one two or three will. But, actually, that is a waste. England need the hundreds spread out so they can influence several matches not just one.

Stephen Brenkley

From England's point of view, of course, the important thing is that they win the match to level the series. But there is a growing feeling that the top six - and perm it in any order you like - is fireproof and shouldn't be. I know this was discussed yesterday but it seems to be going on and on. There is a culture growing up - among the batsmen anyway - that if you're in the side you'll never be out of it and if you're out of it you'll never be in it.

Angus Fraser

Strauss is obviously the most vulnerable but he is not the only one to be underachieving. Ian Bell has not done a great deal either and he played another poor shot today. There is a feeling here that Bell gets runs when they are not that important. It may be harsh but it is a view held by quite a few.

But yes, your assessment is probably right. I can't see England changing their side for the final Test, as long as Anderson's ankle is okay but they may well shake the batting up in the summer. Will it be the 29 year-old Shah they go to then our a younger player?

Stephen Brenkley

First, to be fair to Bell - well he is a columnist for the Independent On Sunday after all -that perception is a bit wide of the mark. It stems only from the unbeaten fifty he made in the Hamilton Test when the match was all but done.
I'm keen to know how good players with clever and astute coaches in Peter Moores and Andy Flowers have got themselves into this position. Is it anything to do with the fact that they know in the era of central contracts and continuity they are unlikely to be dropped?

Angus Fraser

It could be. I am not 100 per cent sure what the problem is, neither are the two coaches I'd imagine. Is it that they are out of form and having to concentrate so hard that when they get to 40,50 60 or 80 they are mentally shattered?

Is it that when they get to these scores they feel they have done their job, kept their average above 40 and then become complacent?

Or maybe they are not as good players as we think they are. They are 35-40 average players, which most of them have been for the last 18 months, rather than 40-45, with the exception of Pietersen.

Central contracts have their shortcomings but overall they are a good thing.

Stephen Brenkley

Overall, the time is rapidly approaching when changes have to be made. No they probably won't go for Shah. Somehow, his face doesn't seem to fit. You get players like that and usually it's no fault of their own. But I'm not sure the selectors really know who they're grooming despite Academy or the Performance Centre or whatever it's called. They picked Ravi Bopara too early and nobody else is making a clear case.
England should win this all right but they still give the impression that not everything is right.
But victory in Wellington may not be that straightforward. You mentioned Anderson injuring his ankle - in a football kickabaout after play - and he must be in doubt for tomorrow considering he

Stephen Brenkley

....... left the ground on crutches.

Angus Fraser

Yes, the dozy pillock. I thought I had a very rare exclusive. As I was waiting for a cab outside he came hobbling out on his crutches. So I rushed over to see what he'd done. He said it's not too bad and that it could be okay tomorrow but I'm not so sure.

If he isn't the fact that they were playing football may get some stick, but you can't wrap these players up in cotton wool. It is just unfortunate for Anderson as much as anybody. He deserves a bit of luck.

Even without him I feel they still have enough runs to win.

Stephen Brenkley

Is it possible for New Zealand to get them? I think not but one bowler out, say, another out of form, it doesn't turn for Monty (it appeared not for Vettori) and you might be depending on Coillingwood to do the bulk of your bowling.

Angus Fraser

It could get sticky but England would hope to take a couple of wickets with the new ball. If they can it would knock the Black Caps back and it would be hard for them to come back.

What would be interesting is if Stuart Broad got warned off too - the umpires were looking in the first innings. Ryan Sidebottom would get a few overs then. No, sorry, it does not bare thinking about. England have to win here Napier is as flat as anything apparently and a draw is expected.

But New Zealand have talked themselves out of this game a bit. They were paranoid about the pitch before the start, rucking about Anderson too. Just shows what can happen when a team is distracted.

Stephen Brenkley

Funny thing, New Zealand getting themselevs into a tizz when they had England in a similar state. They're as bad as our lot. Cricketer plays cricket for state side which has lost sven players - big deal. England to win. Speak to you tomorrow.

Andrew Griffiths

Interesting point you make Angus about Broad being looked at in the first innings, by the Umpires? - surely a bowler who is picked to play at Test level, and therefore one of the best 3 or 4 in the country, should know his game inside out and be at the peak of his powers? - we should not be having issues such as running on the wicket, a bowler changing his (reference Anderson going back to his "old" action?) - these are things that should be sorted out in the domestic game, not in the international arena - what are your thoughts?

nickzi

I seem to remember that this happened to Broad before, in Sri Lanka, although he managed to get through the innings and the game. He is still young - very young in fact - and learning his trade, so I'd be inclined to give him some slack.

As for Anderson's crutches, I think that the tendency among doctors now is to go for over-caution, rather than telling players to get on with it - not necessarily a bad thing. Hopefully he'll have a good night's rest and be ok tomorrow.

England ought to win this, although if they end up a strike bowler down, and New Zealand are prepared to grind away, it may get closer than we would wish. I certainly would not expect England to bat for long tomorrow morning!

Yatish

The advantage of batting a team "out of the game" is that you can then set attacking fields, and always keep 2/3 men right around the bat, especially for spinners. Although I wouldn't say we have totally batted NZ out of the game.

If the absolute worst comes to the worst and Anderson can't bowl, then will we see KP and who knows, maybe even Ian Bell filling in some overs? He has got the feather of Mohammed Yousuf's wicket in his cap afterall ;-)

Angus Fraser

Andrew,
I hear what you are saying - re picking young players, but at a time when the turnover of players is quite high and there is a demand and desire for youngster to be brought in to the side when openings arise it is inevitable. It is the same all over the world, not just in England.

Anderson seems a lot better than I thought he is batting here this morning anyway. If he can't bowl, and I think he will, every player may get the chance to bowl. It's windy here today so good luck to some of them.

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