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17 March 2008

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Angus Fraser

England completed a deserved victory, they were the better side over the five days. England's performance was not without fault - the top six still need to score a hundred and the fielding needs to improve.

I agree the pitch produced an interesting game of cricket. I don't know whether New Zealand will be happy with the groundsman but so be it. I do not like coaches and captains that continually try to influence the pitch a groundsman produces. It is his job to produce a good surface - the players to play on it.

No, I don;t have a lot of sympathy for Stephen Harmison and Matthew Hoggard. They have had plenty of chances to impress, and if they had bowled as well as Sidebottom in Hamilton they would have played here. The pair have had plenty of helpful pitches to bowl on and James Anderson and Stuart Broad desereved a go. I think every Englishman will be happy with what we saw from the pair and the result of the Test.

Stephen Brenkley

One of the buzz words (among many) in cricket is momentum. England would now appear to have it and New Zealand don't. England would therefore appear to start favourites in Napier on Saturday with, I guess, an unchanged side. Given that they were unpredictably ruthless in axeing two bowlers after the First Test, is there any chance that Owais Shah could play, do you suppose?

Martin

Excellent result now hopefully the momentum will be with us for the last test, I just hope we play aggressively and try to win rather than looking not to lose the series.
1 question for you Angus, why is Broad having trouble running on the wicket at test level when he appears not to be called for it in county cricket? and surely with all the coaching staff they have the problem should have been sorted over the 12-18 months he's been with international set up

Martin

I would happily see Shah get another go in the team but if he does he's on a hiding to nothing, imagine if he gets one game, gets a couple of low scores. They'll never pick him again.
I find it laughable that on Sky's coverage they comment that un-named England players are happy and feel more reassured with Strauss at 1st slip. I'd be happier if he had deserved his recall the hard way and was being picked to score runs not catch some of the chances offered.

Stephen Brenkley

Morning, Martin. Gus will get technical with you. But Broad has had a few problems in county cricket which I've seen. Sometimes the opposition, of course, doesn't mind the pitch being roughed up.

Angus Fraser

England do have the 'momentum' now and it should help them in Napier. But the pitch at McLean park is supposed to be an absolute shirt-front, offering very little assistance to any bowler. Even so New Zealand's batting looks fragile. England will try to get the ball to reverse swing - by legitimate methods of course - and if the do they could easily cause New Zealand problems. I struggle to see New Zealand bowling England out twice if the pitch is as flat as people say.

As for Broad, he played it down last night. He is a confident young man but it should concern him. He needs to get closer to the wicket but he cannot. He thinks it is only a problem against left handers and that is true. As a bowler you change your shape slightly to a left hander because you are aiming the ball more to the leg side and this can mean you run in to th wrong area.

I think it might have something to do with the pace he is trying to bowl. Bowlers feel they have to bowl quicker in international cricket and most bowlers fall away doing that. But rather than take your legs away it makes you stay on the pitch because you are trying to generate pace through your shoulders rather than your action. Broad should attempt to saty upright and tall at the crease and follow through then his natural action should take hi off the pitch. I think that makes sense.

Angus Fraser

I cannot see England playing Shah in the final Test. Strauss will play.

Martin

Why do the think the England top order haven't converted starts into more hundreds? and do you think we'll see another situation in the final test where on a flat pitch people cash in.
I'd be interested to see how many of the top 6's hundreds have come in 'dead' tests or towards the end of a series rather than early when you can affect the outcome better

Angus Fraser

Well, a hundred in the final Test could potentially win the series so it is not a dead Test. England's batting is disappointing because veryone believes they are very good. But it is performance rather than potential that counts and england's batsmen have been poor here.

There are so many reasons why the top six are not posting big scores - form, complacency, fear of failure - and each would have differing percentages of each. How a couple of them are viewed, Strauss aand Bell, will depend on how they perform in Napier. If either of these toe has a shocket he could go in the summer against New Zealand

Stephen Brenkley

If that happens, it'll be interesting to see who the selectors go for. I don't think their form at present is anything to write home about.
Gus, the regulars were understandably getting annoyed yesterday about these plans for world cricket and Twenty20's part in it. Part of the reason for the administrators' actions is that fear that if they don't act then rebel leagues will start up. I think it's about time the administrators got the players more involved in the running of the game. That way maybe the future could be mapped and secured.

Ed

Hello all, great forum! Like others, I'm not sure of Strauss' position in the team and am also not sure of Bell's best slot. When he's good, he reminds me of Thorpe - never overly dominating of a match (a la Pietersen/Vaughan) but reliable and infuriating to the opposition.

Strauss is a confusing one. Whilst it has been implied that H & H need to rediscover their full pace and form before being considered again, how can Strauss waltz back into the side on the back of a couple of innings in state cricket?

I spare a thought for Trescothick and wish him all the best. It's been said that players like Harmison should be only considered for pitches made out of concrete, so I was thinking, would there be any benefit for Tres to be brought in for home games? His power, ability and slip fielding has been surely missed. Only if he is fit enough, of course.

Angus Fraser

Stephen, I hear what you are saying as far as administrators and the Indian Leagues go but England is a slightly less volatile place than India. That isn't to say things might happen but the ECB are less likely to act as the BCCI are, basically undermining first-class cricket in the country.

I agree with players being more involved as long as their views are not of a selfish nature. Players unions don't tend to think of the future of the game, just the views of the players and what is right for them. I have sat in meetings with players representatives and they would have players walking out like formula one drivers, with advertising everywhere, if they could. As with all things it needs a balance.

Players have to believe they are getting a fair deal. Most of us could go out and get a better paid job in the short term for 6- 12 months but when that goes where do you go. If the future is to planed out everyone has to give a little but that does not seem to be the current climate on that front.

Stephen Brenkley

Hello Ed and most welcome. First, Strauss for whom I have a great deal of time and respect, it's worse than you think. He was picked for this squad not on the strength of a couple of NZ state innings but because he was deemed to have had a sufficient rest. Poor selecting, I'm afraid.
Tres, another of unquestionable virtues, has probably had his day. There would, sadly, be little worse for the balance and cohesion of the side than to have a chap in only when he felt comfortable enough to play. It would make him feel uncomfortable, wouldn't it? Mind you the 2009 Ashes .........

Angus Fraser

Ed makes an interesting point. Arsenal were happy to play Dennis Bergamp (wrong spelling i know) when he could not play in Europe. I don't know whether I want Trescothick to play for England again. He has had an outstanding career and he does not owe anyone anything. The main thing is he is happy doing what he is doing. Despite what many people think there are more important things in lfe than playing sport for your country.

Strauss gets picked as much for what he does off the field. With Giles and Trescothick England lost two players who set the perfect example in the dressing room and Vaughan and Moores want as many of them around as possible. That is why they went for him after he had a rest. they may be doubting Strauss now but I don't think they did at the end of the summer. they just thought he was knackered, which he was.

Stephen Brenkley

I really do think this is a seminal period for the game. The decision made in the next week and in the 18 months after that will be crucial. FICA, the international players' group, is champing at the bit for a more formal voice. Unfortunately, the Indian players barely have a group/union/association, call it what you will. As you know I am a big fan of T20 but suddenly I fear what I hear.
Funnily enough the NZ series has allayed for the time being some of the fears I have had for Test cricket. It has been played on smlla grounds but with decent and engaged crowds, I feel That has been most encouraging.

Stephen Brenkley

Of course, they wanted Strauss back for the reasons you state. But plain logic should have told the selectors that he should have been given the entire winter off and found form at the beginning of the summer. As it is, they are now in danger of having no choice but to jettison a prized asset because of their own ineptitude. The new selection panel has a lot to do and not very much time to do it.

Angus Fraser

The Tests here have been an absolute joy to attend. Vivaldi and Pink Floyd during the intervals, grass banks for families to sit and communicate on. Kids play cricket in a sapre corner and boys fight with their fathers on the banks listening to the radio. NZ cricket has pitched it absoulutely right. Thye know they are not going to fill 30,000 seater stadiums and have chosen cricket grounds with character.

One day and Twenty20 cricket may be about grabbing spectators by the throat and shaking them for 3-7 hours but Test cricket is a more peaceful and relaxing pastime. Congratulations New Zealand. I just wish we had grass banks in England.

Ed

A fair point regarding Tres however I feel that things have got a little too "comfortable" for the batsmen in possession. Mixing up the order doesn't quite cut it for me.
I don't think Shah convinces the England insiders enough to be given an extended chance and there doesn't appear to be anyone else knocking on the door. I followed the Lions tour as much as I could but the impressing names that come to mind are Rashid and Onions. Are there any batsmen out there who are worth a punt in the summer?

Stephen Brenkley

Gus, if there are any grass banks, Giles Clark will be building on them shortly.
Ed, Bopara will come again, I hope, Joe Denly of Kent has something and good things are spoken of about an Irishman at Middlesex called Eoin Morgan.

Johnny

Do you think this test has been a breakthrough for Anderson, or is there a slight sense that it might be another false dawn? We've been here before - he came into the side because of injuries in India in 06, then again at home last summer, and each time there seemed to be real optimism that he had seized the chance to properly establish himself at test level. But for one reason and another, he didn't quite manage to kick on from there..

Stephen Brenkley

Johnny, this may (at last) be Anderson's time. For such a diffident chap he seems to prosper when he knows he has more responsibility. The big thing, of course, is that his action is much more what it was when he first burst on to the scene, and much less like the remodelled version. One day, it may come to be seen as a significant lesson for bio-mechanists everywhere. There is a reason a a natural action is so-called and that is because it comes naturally. But he still has to do it in terms of match to match. We might know a wee bit more if it doesn't swing much in Napier.

Louise

Anderson has never had a run in the side and has usually been an injury replacement. His run in Tests has been 7,1,3,1,1,2,1,4,1 over 6 years. He has been drinks waiter for 28 Tests which must be mind numbing. Harmison is complaining after 1 Test.

Also as an opening swing bowler he has been brought on as the third bowler in half the Tests he has played hoping there will be some reverse swing later. Hoggard and Harmison were established bowlers and if they didn't get wickets or had a bad game or two they still kept their places but with Anderson it's one bad game and dropped.

Of the 11 Tests that he has opened the bowling, 48 wickets at 33.35 and as first change 21 wickets at 45.71. I would want the selectors to give him a run of 10 Tests and judge the results. It's a bit like the Chris Read story. Geraint Jones did get a long run but like Anderson, Read was in and out.

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