Why shouldn't the torch relay pass Tibet? It is still Chinese territory. Why are you advocating racism and racial segregation? The torch will pass everywhere in China but Tibet Autonomous Region? What does that say to you? Freedom to Tibet? Sounds more like racism preached by the same people who enslaved black Africans in US and participated in human trafficking. I wonder why only exiled Tibetans complain about human rights. Why the other 54 ethnic minorities are not out there killing Hans? Why the bad bad Han Chinese singled out Tibetans to perform "human rights abuses"? Because all this is made up by Dalai to get more money. He's a beggar, nothing more. Get a job, make an honest living. Stop scamming people.

It's so ridiculous that the Tibetan exile terrorists are called "the Tibetan government". They are not Tibetan! They do not represent Tibet! Why are they always blaming Han Chinese for everything? Whose fault is it when they don't learn to read and write? Whose fault is it when they don't want to work? They were exiled because they are terrorists. It's better they are living in your country, much safer in China.

Dalai's claim of "cultural genocide" is based on his assessment of the new railway "the central government is transporting beggars and handicapped Han Chinese into Tibet. And they also send uneducated prostitutes so that they can spread AIDS to kill Tibetans." Go look it up, his comments were recorded. Sounds ridiculous? This is a man who's a living God? He's a man who preaches only peace? Just a few days ago, Dorje Shugden, one of the Tibetan deities, sued Dalai for religious persecution in India. This particular deity is one of the 5 main Tibetan buddhism lines. And Dalai has decided he is to be the only one to be worshiped by all Tibetans. These other lamas have been chased and killed in India in the Tibetan exile communities. It's on youtube.com, this piece of news is not picked up by mainstream media, I wonder why! It's happening again, another terrorist group (the Dalai clique) has been created. One day, this group will turn its violence directed at Chinese today to those who created them. Saddam, Bin Laden, etc. are the few examples. Do you ever ask why they bite the hands that fed them?

Supporting terrorism is never justified. It will only come back and haunt you!

Dorje Shugden, a Tibetan deity, just sued the Dalai Lama?!

Now really, can we believe anything else this idiot says?

HAHA!

Yes, a Nobel Peace Prize winner should start looking for an honest job. I guess being the world's most respected spiritual icon just doesn't get the respect it once did now that the Chinese have the moral high ground.

Info on "this Shugden business":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso,_14th_Dalai_Lama

Just do a google search.

"murderous government impugning a group of people who simply wish to be left alone". The murderous government is the Bush administration supported by people like you. Yeah, another 100 years for the war in Iraq. Great! Iraqis just don't want to be left alone, they love the company.

Obama is right "when people are bitter, they cling to guns and religion". You are just bitter, pissed off at the world because you don't have your "American dream". Let's blame the Chinese for this! Why not, you got to blame someone, better someone else than yourself.

BTW, I don't see Jesus Christ walking down the street and giving speeches to beg for money. Actually, did the Pope do that last week when he was in the US? Did Bush give him money? Oh I forgot, he apologized for the priests who raped boys and talked to Jewish rabbis. Hmm... I guess the Pope didn't need to be a beggar. He has support from billions, not 100k exiled terrorists.

Arafat also received a nobel peace price. I wonder if the Israelis consider him a living god. Why don't the Israelis just talk to him??? What? We do not negotiate with terrorists! Right, Chinese don't do that either. And I recall Jimmy Carter actually had a job or two, like being the President? How dare him have a job! He should just go around and beg too. How could one ask those nobel price winners to work??? What, they don't need to? Because they got money from the Nobel committee? What? A million? I think that amount is enough to build your American dream, you should go and ask Dalai for that money.

Desmond Tutu? Also a peace price winner. So what's been happening in South Africa? Yes, apartheid was over. But why does so much violence still exist there? Oh, they are just trying to drive out all the whites! 40+% of South Africans are HIV positive or have AIDS. Why isn't he out there advocating this cause? Don't want to talk about it??? Why not??? Why do you have the free time to preach about China? Start working on things that actually are close to you, surround you. Stop pointing fingers across half of the globe on things and places that you don't know about and have never been.

Dalai has not been in China or TAR for 50 years. He was invited back to settle in the 80s as the leader of the TAR region. He refused because for financial reasons, he needed to do the work that his handlers told him to do. See, he did have a job, made money, blood money that is. Now he wants "real autonomy" for Tibetans in Tibet and in half of China, not independence. Oh yeah? I guess you forgot you were offered that 20+ years ago? I guess China was too poor back then to have HH back, now the Pogala palace has been restored to perfection, you want to be back? Guess what? You can't. Too bad for you! Cry me a river! You can stay in India, or just move to Paris where you just gained Citizenship. China is not going to pay for you to sit on your royal highness all day. Yes, you take our money, you work for us.

The Dalai Lama epitomises peace and reason. TT: Suggesting that he calls on his supporters "to kill in the name of religion" is wildly ridiculous. You have not even tried to justify this fantastic claim.

His Holiness unilaterally gave up campaigning for Tibetan independence, in favour of an autonomous administrative region within China, which showed his commitment to conciliation and practicality.

This was despite the fact that China's invasion in 1950 was quite illegal, and that unbelievable brutality has been perpetrated against the indigenous people of Tibet in the years since then.

Regarding Dorje Shugden, my understanding is that the Dalai Lama said that this is a wrathful earthly deity with whom peace-loving Buddhists should not associate. Today only one breakaway sect continues the practice.

Well, although I am shocked by the "Free Tibet" movement's violent protests and riots, and their outrageous unsubstantiated accusations, I do think China has a right to respond. If I understand correctly, these current riots are designed and paid for by Foreign Organizations, including the NED and funded by the Richy-Richs of the world, and even the US Congress. The Dalai Lama is, according to US documents and Congressional Record, an instrument of the OSS, CIA, NED, and the UD State Department. If you compare his current words on this issue, reported in the press, and compare them with speeches made by US Congressmen and women, you will see he is repeating their words. It is fair to raise an eyebrow that the Dalai Lama would allow himself to become the mouthpiece for another "democracy revolution" based on propaganda and, yes, even violent "opps."

However, let's do look at China's human rights record. In 1951 China met with Dalai Lama's reps and signed 17 point agreement providing for autonomy for "Tibet" and peaceful change of the serf-slave based system. The Dalai Lama and his family responded by having the CIA train commandos and engaged in secret contra terrorist attacks against the Chinese, who were building roads, schools and hospitals. In 1959, the Dalai Lama agreed to leave Lhasa, accepting a $180,000 yearly retainer, and further agreed to set up 10 terrorist camps in Mustang, in Nepal, for the purpose of invading and killing, and harassing China. The Chinese freed the Tibetans the Dalai Lama abandoned, the people of Tibet, 90% of whom were serfs, and 5% of whom were house slaves.

The Cultural revolution was a huge setback, but was not targeted at Tibet. In fact, China has apologised abjectly for the damage done, and has made reparations. Has the dalai Lama apologized for slavery of the Tibetan people?

The Dalai Lama unfairly accuses China for genocide, claiming that they killed a million Tibetans. However, when he left there were 1.2 million Tibetans, and today there are more than 2.6 million Tibetans. How could there be so many Tibetans today id China had killed almost the whole population of Tibet in 1959? This is just another example of what people mean when they say the Dalai Lama lies.

The Dalai Lama says that China is destroying Tibetan Culture and language. However, this too, is not true. China has built schools for the Children of Tibet, in Tibet. China, unlike Australia and the US, did not remove children from their families in Tibet, brought the schools to Tibet. The chiildren learn to read and write Tibetan language, and habve free 9 years compulsory education.

Under the Dalai Lama serfs and slaves had no education. His family alone owned over 6000 field serfs and 109 house slaves. they had no rights to an education, no rights to choose to marry, and no rights to choose what to believe. there was no religious freedom at all. Little boys, as young as two years old, were confiscated by monks, to be raised by monks in the monasteries.

The first law that was passed after Mao came to power, was the Marriage Law, effective May 1, 1950. This gave women equal rights, and protected children. It was passed due to "the mother of China" Soong Ching Lings persistence, and Mao's commitment to women’s rights. Under the Dalai Lama, women were thrown out of the house to have childbirth in the dirt, because it was considered unclean to have babies in the house, and if she gave birth to twing, they were confiscated and killed by the monks, as proof she had "consorted with evil spirits."

Live expectancy under the Dalai Lama was 35 years, today, in "Tibet" it is 67 years. China has affirmative action for Nationalities, what they refer to as minorities, and Tibetans are accepted into schools and colleges with lower test scores than Han. China has improved the standard of living in Tibet, bringing roads and telephones, to far flung farm villages and herders, and people live in homes. Under the Dalai Lama almost a million people "lived rough" as serfs.

China does not use corporal punishment, and children in school are not beaten with long sticks as they were under the Dalai Lama. Parents, not Monks are responsible for the behavior and upbringing of their children. China closed the dungeons and torture chambers in the monasteries, where under the Dalai Lama punishments for even minor crimes included gouging out eves, cutting off arms or legs, pulling the fingers out from the hands, and even peeling off the skin.

China ended the onerous corvee system, where serfs who couldn't pay had to sell their children, and ended the "ear tax" where serfs who didn't want to serve in the Dalai Lama's militias would have to pay by having one ear cut off. China does have sedition as a crime, punished with prison term or education, but under the Dalai Lama anyone who even complained, or expressed an opinion against the Dalai lama would have his tongue cut out.

China says they have made much progress with both economic and human rights, but they are not perfect and need more time. They have identified areas of concern, and are working on it. These are not just words, but on record, and funds and agencies are set up to carry out goals set by the people. The Dalai Lama refuses to acknowledge any shortcomings, n as failed to understand, much less offer a meaningful apology for what most would think were atrocities, never mind human rights abuses. The Dalai Lama continues to blame others, and demonize China, all the while projecting his own unacceptable behavior on a people and government who have spared no effort in bringing a better life to the people in Tibet.

Therefore, I encourage China to take up the gauntlet thrown across their face, and use this as an opportunity to highlight their huge progress in human rights, especially in Tibet. And, if the western press continues to refuse to look at China's human rights record, and progress, and continues to repeat the propaganda authored in the US congress and pouring out of the Dalai lama's mouth, then I and milllions of others will turn to Anti-Cnn for the truth.

Remember, a democracy depends on a free press, and the people have a right to know. Propaganda, even delivered by monks, is still propaganda, and a barrier to understanding and achieving human rights.

take care

Kathy and Shannon

I do not hate you at all, in fact I have no feelings for you, I don't care about your country and please leave China to be itself and to look after our own territory - you people stick your nose into everything and yes, your colonial history stinks, live with it. We do not like your imperialistic attitudes and please go and re build Iraq because you and the Yanks have bombed the hell out of it. We have given Tibet a successful economy and NO BOMBS!!! Get it?

Wrong Mark....and do you know that three quarters of Tibetan people have left Tibet to work in Mainland China voluntarily to make money for TIBET! You are so mis-informed Mark...and in Chinese university we are taught to respect all ethnic cultures and we must give preference to their needs over our own all the time. You know NOTHING because you like all these others who are just brain washed into your thinking that you have a superior knowledge of the situation by virtue of being WESTERN eh? I have taken the new train into Tibet and the Tibetans love it, the travel, the better economic situation. I guess you are like one of those pseudo western Tibetan Buddhists who are living still with a VERY old fashioned idea of China and Tibet; please ask educated Chinese people about China...torture? Where in the hell do you get that idea? Maybe from Guantanamo Bay or the way the British torture the Iraqis in Basra? You are wrong and brain washed without knowing it because your education is making you think you know better than the people of the nation you are going on about. It is called imperialistic arrogance.

@Mark_1V

1. What went on in Tibet was not acceptable in the 20th century. The real question is, however, is who put an end to it? The brits? The Americans? The Russ? The Nazies? The Republic of China? No. Perhaps you are right, after all, the reason the US arrived in Lhasa in 1942 was not to end slavery and bring democracy to the oppressed Tibetan people and trhough out a barbaric corrupt theocracy led by a child "god", no it was to protect Englands Tea Plantations, and the War Lord's drug running.

So, again, my post is examining China's human rights record in Tibet after 1949. Compare it with the Dalai Lama's record. The Dalai Lama had the opportunity, and Mao's complete support to partner in bringing human rights to Tibet, peacefully, over a period of time, without removing the office of the Dalai lama and with Full Atonomy. The Dalai Lama took the m oney and ran. He did nothing to bring human rights to "his" people. In fact he removed all the wealth of Tibet when he "fled" (his responsibilities) a great opportunity. Now, he continues to lie, even about that. (Of course he is on retainer to lie, so what can one expect?")

2. You wsrote >>Since then China has continued to use the most barbaric torture, not to mention the widespread killings that happened during the Cultural Revolution<<

I am not sure you understood what I wrote. It was the Dalai lama that tortured the tibetan people, not the Chinese? In fact there are three torture chambers with dungeons in the Ptola Palace alone, right under his thrown room! There are photos of tortured Tibetan people in a book he approved for publication. It is China, not the Dalai Lama that put an end to torture in Tibet.

The cultural revolution ended 35 years ago. China has taken responsibility for this, apologised and has made and continues to make reparations. The cultural revolutions was not targeted against tibet, nor tibetan people, by the Chinese Gov. It was a political movement, the liberals against the conservatives. The conservatives won, Nixon recognized China, and now we have development along the capitolists ideal of the open market system. Neither the liberals nor the conservitives, however, defended the atrocities committed in Tibet under Dalai Lama theocracy, and no one in China today wants to see a return to the dark ages in Tibet. The point being, Chjina has acknowledged its responsibility for mistakes during the cultural revolution, and is holding itself accountable, while the Dalai Lama refuses to acknowledge for the atrocities that he allowed to contibnue between 1951-1959.

3. The number of ethnic Tibetans living in "Tibet" today is recorded on the census, it shows that today, after the passage of several decades, there are over 2.61 million people in the region. They include roughly 2.41 million of the Tibetan ethnic group (92.2 per cent of the total), 154,360 who are Han (5.9 per cent), and 49,710 of other ethnic groups (1.9 per cent). That would include Hui.

Furthermore, China has a olne child policy for Han Chinese, only. Here are the 2000 stats for fertility rate. China is NOT trying to swamp the minorities. That is another example of the propaganda that pours out of the Dalai Lama's mouth....Today...Total fertility rate: 1.75 (avg. births per woman in childbearing years) (2007)
According to the 2000 census, the TFR was 1.22 (0.86 for cities, 1.08 for towns and 1.43 for villages/outposts). Beijing had the lowest TFR at 0.67, while Guizhou had the highest at 2.19. It should be noted that Xiangyang district of Jiamusi city (Heilongjiang) have a TFR of 0.41, which is the lowest TFR recorded anywhere in the world in recorded history. Other extreme low TFR counties are: 0.43 in the Heping district of Tianjin city (Tianjin), and 0.46 in the Mawei district of Fuzhou city (Fujian). At the other end TFR was 3.96 in Geji County (Tibet), 4.07 in Jiali County (Tibet), and 5.47 in Baqing County (Tibet).[4]

This shows clearly that the percent of total population represented by Han Chinese is decreasing, not increasing. Today in the US, the population of ethnic Chinese is just over 4%. Therefore the political candidates ignore ethnic Chinese. Ethnoic Tibetens make up more than 90% of the population of Tibet. Are you advocating ethnic clensing?

The Brits and French were colonial. They took the land, for plantations, and not unlike the Dalai Lama, worked the land with the local people being only one step above serfs. China ended this Over Lords rule system, where all the land is owned by a few, and the people work as serfs. China did execute land reform, and free the serfs, and the people now earn their own living, and make their own decisions. This is not colonialism. The Dalai Lama's way is colonialism, wrapped up in monks ropes.

Groups in the US have been fostered by the US gov, thru the privitized CIA, namely NED, and other NGO's, including but not limited to the Albert Einstein Institution (AEI), which is funded by Soros foundations and the US government, which provided advise and training for the violent riots this year. In fact, two training manuals were translated into Tibetan, and one has a forward by the Dalai Lama.

This information comes froms one's elected representatives in Congress, not from the Chinese gov.

Again, China should be proud of her human rights record in Tibet, and as a person who cares about social justice, I hope we could all encourage China to continue on this path, which has brought so much improvement to the lives of a people who were slaves only 50 years ago.

The Dalai Lama, in my opinion, should seek the peace is is so fond of talking of, by cutting all relationships with the CIA, NED, and US and other Governments, and return to his studies and practice as a monk. Perhaps he may come someday to be able to accept things as they are, and his role in that. Perhaps he will some day be able to accept responsibility for the atrocities he has allowed, and begin to use his millions, billions of dollars to pay restitution to all those whose lives have been shattered by his mistakes in judgement. But I do not see why China should sit down and negociate with a paid CIA opperative? It makes no sense to me.

take care
Kathy and Shannon

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I see rent-a-mob arrived here in force?

The concentrated hatred and viciousness of postings from "Danno" and "TT" (the usual anonymous Commissars) is particularly revealing... the rhetoric of the Secret Policeman.

Let's put things in perspective. Since our Chinese "friends" here like to give "history lessons" (from the approved teachings of the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA only) then let's continue the lessons.

In the C20th, 47 million people were deliberately murdered in China by the Communist Party (the party which remains in power today, and has never faced an investigation into these atrocities). The exact number of dead may in fact be higher, but the convenience of a one-party State has enabled the true statistics to be hidden from the Chinese people. Of course Mr Heart-Of-Hatred Danno, or his paid-to-post Commissar friend "TT" will deny these figures - but a Secret Policeman is paid to deny the murders he's committed, of course.

To this day, China is ruled by an unelected antidemocratic COMMUNIST PARTY. There is no law in China - "law" is simply what the unelected thugs of the Communist Party decide. You can see CPC members writing in the messages above.

The sad irony here is that the huge majority of China's population are cheerful, friendly and peace-loving people. The image of China has been ruined by a small gang of thugs, secret policemen, commissars, and Party Members who tyrannise their own people.

The Beijing Olympics could have been a marvellous chance to show China's traditions of peace to the world, and encourage greater understanding of Chinese culture.

Instead, what image remains? The shouting angry threats of Danno and TT, and a group of paid Communist Party thugs in blue tracksuits "guarding" their idiotic Olympic Flame.

No better picture of the Communist-Run Police State of China could have been portrayed if their dumbhead Commie goons had planned it for years before.

The people of China deserve BETTER than you, Danno. I feel sorry for your family when you and your Party are overthrown by the Chinese people - blood is such an ugly thing to see.

I would like to thanks all the people who had the greatest concern for the Chinese people. Yes, the CCP government apparently “tyrannizes” their own people: the Chinese. But today the “suppressed” are rallying around their “suppressor” and defending their government. Yes, they must be brainwashed. Don’t you see the logic?

Maybe you are still living in the cold war and watched too many 007 movies. Please come back to reality. If you truly concerned about the average Chinese living under the “tyranny”, come and visiting us in China. Because right now, I am not really feeling your concern is a genuine one, all I am feeling is the hatred towards China.

Neil McGowan...why oh why do you see HATRED? I cannot understand you, if i speak for my country you see hatred? Why? You talk of blood, 'commies' etc, you assume that I am one of those hard liners eh? no, i am an ordinary person without any political leaning...you see how you assume so much Mr McGowan...it is YOU that is filled with hatred and fear and suspicion of China , you ar ea very ignorant man who is again a victim of his own version of events. Why speak of my family? What is this 'overthrowing 'you are talking about? Youar eso funny, we are very happy in China, we work hard, we live together, family is a very strong unit, we are mostly successful, I see jealousy in your words Mr Mc Gowan and the need to bully.

Danno, you haven't answered any of the points I made - you've just replied with an ad hominem attack. I realise of course that in China that's considered acceptable, but in democratic countries it is not.

I repeat - the Chinese Communist Party which you serve has murdered 47 million people during the C20th. There is no freedom of expression in China. There is no democracy in China. There have never been elections in Communist China. China is ruled by a one-party system in which crooks and communist thugs are given power over ordinary Chinese people.

"The need to bully", Danno?? Surely that's YOUR need, because I read your vicious thuggish threats in all your messages, and your personal attacks on everyone you reply to, and I see a thug Commissar.

To John Wang... well, I am really sorry your "grader" read and believed Communist Party *LIES* about what happened in Tibet. Unfortunately many Chinese people are brainwashed by commie lies. If she loves Commieland so much, why doesn't she GO AND LIVE THERE, because in the USA COMMIES aren't widely appreciated. Perhaps she should start a pro-Communist rally in America, and see what reaction she gets???

BTW, I have been in China seven times, and also I've been arrested by Chinese Police, and illegally held in a Chinese Police Station. I was arrested for no offence, except some illiterate thug (THE HEAD OF IMMIGRATION POLICE OF CITY OF HEIHE) claimed I had a "false passport". I still remember his angry red face shouting at me, and how he SPAT on me. That must be the "Chinese culture" you love - SPITTING on people???? So I know the Chinese commie thug police from personal experience.

Here are some brainwashed Communist zealots. You can hear the hysteria and hatred in their voices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu52ON0JqY8

And here's the real face of Chinese Communist thug violence - a mob of Chinese Commies attacks a Tibetan in S Korea. Listen to the hatred in their voices as they capture him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lshw_PIVx8

But Danno won't reply to this. John Wang's "grader" won't watch this. Because it's the TRUTH that will never be seen on CCTV.

As I said Danno - you can't answer my points, so you reply with ad hominem attacks. All you do is devalue your own position still further when you do so. You're a paid commie liar, and lying is all you can do.

We like our government as you like your own; we are proud of our country as you are proud of your own; we do not admire propagandists as you do not; we are the same as you. We are people with a different political system and it is the same as your own but it goes under another name. Democracy is the type of government that allows everyone to be an oppressor on face value in other words you have 'freedom of speech' and can vent your views but if you really want to change anything you cannot; you cannot change your monarchy, you can not change the defence policies of your government, you cannot know what goes on in MI5 or MI6, you are very silly people because you think you are more free than China? You are not as educated as we are and we have a very long history...longer than your own; when we were creating literature and painting and music - you were rubbing flints together.

Danno: "We like our government as you like your own;"

Evidently it has escaped Danno's notice that something like about half of us in democratic countries do NOT like our governments. I would say that significant numbers of us despise our governments. What's more, we are FREE TO SAY SO! And let us not overlook the fact that despising our governments does not conflict at all with loving our countries.

However, this discussion wasn't about democratic coutries. It was, and let it continue to be, about the actions and policies of a goverment in whose country dissent is brutally repressed by the agents of that government. And let it be noted once more that criticism of that government is not criticism of that country or of its people!

I have always been amazed at Americans' inability to see the sheer hypocrisy of the "Free Tibet" movement. They, and the Canadian, Aussies and New Zealanders (i.e. the Anglo Saxons) essentially destroyed the native inhabitants of these lands and then forcefully occupied them. What is happening in Tibet may not be right but I truly believe if all of you went back to Europe or at least paid fair rents to the native Americans, Australians, Maoris, etc. then China may even withdraw from Tibet as she is shamed by your shining example. Only a mere 80 years separate Wounded Knee from Lhasa 1959. Surely America can at least give back everything from Chicago and west to the Native Americans - at least. Then we Chinese will listen to you as then, you would no longer by hypocrites.

>> Because I know, deep in your heart, you don’t give a damn. <<

Another ad-hominem attack, from another Communist zealot. When I need YOUR opinion on what's in MY heart, Dan, I'll ask you. Because just like the moron longnose-hating Immigration Officer who knew "better" than the staff of the Chinese Consulate in London that my passport was "forged", you are another Chinese know-all who hasn't a clue. I don't *want* or *need* your welcome, because my *friends* in China (who aren't Party Members) have always made me very welcome. Love the Chinese people. Hate the Commie thugs.

Watch this, Dan. Then try to deny it???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x6M7NzTrrzs

We simply want to add another resource from the Tibetan voice in exile at http://www.tibetanphotoproject.com
The Tibetan Photo Project is working to create a voice directly from the exile community through their photos and films.

Neil: Oh, yes, you care a great deal of China's reputation, thank you very much. I lived in UK once and have a great respect for your country and respect the BBC despite some recent hiccups. I know also that most Briton are not like you. But they do have some hooligans like we have ours (I am not proud of that, but I accept that is the reality). Calling everyone who has a different opinion "a communist", I start to wonder who is brainwashed.

Haven't read all the posts above, but seems a lot wilder than what we have in Canada, which has had a fair amount of reaction to the Tibet-China issue. What I notice here more is the 'racial' quality of the comment. In a lot of cases, not much differentiation between the Beijing Regime and the Chinese people as a whole. Once this line is crossed, the matter begins to get confused, I feel. This goes for both sides of the arguments.

What I gather re. Dorje Shugden is that, apart from not cooperating with the Dalai Lama, which most practitioners of Tibetan Buddhism tend to do as a matter of principle (since cooperation and harmony are key in this religion), the group maintains a heretical form of practice that accesses the negative aspect of life energy in an incorrect way, detrimental to the true spirit of Buddhism. I don't expect most who live / have lived under the Beijing Regime to understand this, as they have been deprived of a spiritual life after Mao et al threw out the baby with the bathwater. However, I won't mind being corrected about Dorje Shugden from knowledgeable observers of this group.

onnad: I am glad that you mentioned Tiananmen. You might be surprised if I tell you that I was a supporter of Tiananmen students and I have my personal grudges with the Chinese government. But I made peace with myself that it is time to move on. I don’t expect you would understand that.

Danno,

No you're wrong. The Dalai Lama, his tutors and all the great masters of the Gelug tradition practised Dorje Shugden. It's hard to know where to start but you could do worse than watching this 1998 Swiss documentary on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y