Today in Politics: Labour set for mauling in Crewe
Things seem to be going from bad to worse for Labour in Crewe and Nantwich ahead of Thursday's by-election. Labour MPs and allies of Gordon Brown have admitted that the party's campaign against "Tory toff" candidate Edward Timpson has backfired. Now an exclusive ComRes poll for The Independent in the constituency puts the Tories a huge THIRTEEN points ahead, the highest lead so far. Previous surveys have given David Cameron's party a lead of four and eight points.
Although officials in both main parties insist the result could still be close, it seems to be slipping away from Labour and sensible Labour folk are resigned to defeat. The only question, it appears, is how heavy it will be. If Labour loses, it can't really be blamed on the local "Tory toff" campaign, however convenient that might be for Brown. The economy and the abolition of the 10p tax rate will surely have been much bigger factors. Our poll also shows Brown's ratings are poor when compared with Cameron's. Full details in tomorrow's paper and at ComRes.

What in the world is going on with this country? Why are people not realizing the consequences of voting for a Tory? As an American(living in England), I was appalled to see Boris win over London and in the same week Tories winning all around, why does this have to continue. Do people realize how good they had it here before switching over to the conservative side. Eventually by sticking with tories, you will lose the NHS(as crap as some thing it is, it is better than what we get) among other things. I know everyone thinks they need a change, but going over to the dark side is not the option they should be choosing.
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Posted by: The Ida Express | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 07:29 PM
The 'toff' campaign is surely to be blame for widening the gap - even Labour loyalists don't like being treated like idiots. And Brown and the 'toff' campaign are inseparable - he's been in touch with the candidate several times a day.
Posted by: Praguetory | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 07:47 PM
The American correspondent asks why people in the UK are turning to the Tories. The answer is simple, without a real democracy and only having an outdated 19th century electoral system, designed for times when only a small minority had the franchise (which continues to ensure that a small minority decide who governs), the majority of people who feel totally ignored and out of touch with the Government can only make their feelings known by rejecting the party in Government. I detect no real liking or stomach for the Tories, but a feeling that people wish to punish the Labour politicians - for various reasons, the two most obvious being Iraq and Afghanistan. We in the UK have Governments that can be (and this one was) elected on just 27 percent of the vote, and they somehow manage to grossly distort that minority vote into a Parliamentary majority. We urgently need Proportional Representation which will give us a Parliament based on the way we vote, and not a system which suits politicians. Oh yes, ...I forgot to mention our unelected Head of State who has a job for life regardless of his/her intelligence and capability (or lack of).
Posted by: Neil | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:24 PM
Tony the Toff must be laughing then crying as he watches his New Labour legacy be ground into the dirt by Gordon Brown.
Posted by: Short the UK | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:28 PM
@IdaExpress
"Why are people not realizing the consequences of voting for a Tory? As an American(living in England), I was appalled to see Boris win over London and in the same week Tories winning all around, why does this have to continue."
Your knowledge of England could perhaps do with some work, then :P
New Labour is about as popular in Britain as the current Administration is in the US - with two differences:
1. Labour has been in power three years longer.
2. Gordon Brown is too insignificant to register as a global laughing-stock, though he plays the joker quite admirably in these islands.
p.s. Boris read Classics at Balliol (as did many of the administrators of the British Empire). Governing London should be easy...
Posted by: Shawcross | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:33 PM
Presumably Idea Express couldn't cut the mustard in the USA. Probably easier to freeload here than back home.
I wonder what, if anything, 'it' does for a living. Social worker, student, teacher?
Posted by: John Evans | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:50 PM
As another American living in the UK for the past 30 years, and holding a UK passport, I came here at a time when America was a dark place indeed with the unwinding of the Nixon legacy.
The country I came to, and came to love, has abandonned its democratic principles under Labour which wants to erode them yet further with the proposals for 42 day detention. That, more than anything else, is what is driving some of us towards the alternatives, including the conservatives. We had a London mayor openly embracing homophobic prelates for no apparent good reason and defending his dubious associates. That's another reason people voted him out.As for the NHS, the picture is more than mixed.
I voted Labour, but no longer. They do not deserve the votes of people who care about democracy, nor, after the recent by election shenanigans, decency. The amount of money firehosed at services which were left unreformed (or disastrously reformed) is pitiful and has left the country in a terrible financial position and ill placed to face the very hard economic times ahead.
Under the circumstances, it is lucky people are not rioting in the streets
Posted by: Helene Davidson | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:52 PM
Ida,
What makes you think you have any idea of the consequences of voting Tory?
As a 27 year old American you were probably safely roasting summores over a campfire as a 16 year old when the Tories were last in power and were only a twinkle in Mom & Pop's eyes when Margaret Thatcher was first elected.
There is absolutley zero chance that the NHS will disappear under the Tories. Even if they wanted to get rid of it (and they don't) it would be electoral suicide even to suggest it.
Anyone who believes otherwise has naively swallowed new Labour propoganda hook line and sinker.
Posted by: triedandtwisted | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 08:56 PM
Ida,
What makes you think you have any idea of the consequences of voting Tory?
As a 27 year old American you were probably safely roasting summores over a campfire as a 16 year old when the Tories were last in power and were only a twinkle in Mom & Pop's eyes when Margaret Thatcher was first elected.
There is absolutley zero chance that the NHS will disappear under the Tories. Even if they wanted to get rid of it (and they don't) it would be electoral suicide even to suggest it.
Anyone who believes otherwise has naively swallowed new Labour propoganda hook line and sinker.
Posted by: triedandtwisted | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:05 PM
Bunch of nutters on this blog - oh it is the (Un)-Independent.
American, dont comment on things you dont understand.
Posted by: BEeBob | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:13 PM
The serious question here is Democracy, The UK has a prime minister whose only mandate to run a country (countries) with 65 million residents is a mandate of 24,000 voters in an obscure Scottish town which most UK citizens have never heard of.
It is time for the UK's prime minister to be directly elected from the entire electorate simultaneously with the election of their MP. It is not acceptable that political parties can impose their will on the electorate this is what happens in places like North Korea.
It is patently obvious that Brown is not up to the job, this must never be allowed to happen again.
Posted by: Roger Brown | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:14 PM
american living in england!! shows he does not know much about labour!! the last legacy of a labour government 1979 this cuntry was going bankrupt. we had massive inflation, high unemployment, could not bury our dead, highest stikes seen anywhere in the world. it took years to get this country back on its feet. we had to change laws to halt strikes and cut back on plastic meaningless jobs, cut red tape so small buisness thrived for 18 years labour tried to get back with the same old, draconian ways, noing it would not work. tony blaire copied most of conservative policy and waterd down labour. 1997 they inherited a good economy from the conservatives, and hardly any debt. they had it easy on a plate, and robbed, and kept on taking, and taking our taxes. until we now bleed, they crippeled the young with even more taxed burdens for buying a house £2,000 including hips for starters, where do we stop. the penny has now dropped as peoples civil liberties have been eroded, they even lied and smeared a woman who survived a train crash, they tried to bully ken livingstone, their own kind with character smear. in truth this is the most deceitful, dishonest, bullying government britain has seen this last century. this is not just about brown and his inept team they are all to blame. What they cant stomach is that no one wants them anymore. They know even their backbenchers they have let down their constituents , broken promises on student fees, foundation hospitals, cash roadside cameras, in safe places enabling higher cash revenue. the list is endless and the resentment among the british public is higher daily. young prople even who never voted are desperate, for freedom in this country, and cant wait like the rest of us to kick them out for good.
Posted by: paul connolly | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:19 PM
one of the many reasons that labour is about to get the boot is the voting tax payer has been mugged off once too many {bring it on }
Posted by: martin taylor | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:19 PM
Margaret Thatcher & the Tories in the 80's dragged this country kicking & screaming from the dark ages and in every country I have visited she is feted & emulated where possible. Unfortunately she ran out steam & able ministers after she completed only half of the task (reforming union bound industry & commerce). What wonders we would have had if she could also have kicked our pathetic & moribund public sector into shape also
Let us hope that David Cameron has the guts & nerve to finsih the job
Posted by: Colin Hunt | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:28 PM
spot on paul , they are a gang of chancers who inherited a well oiled machine & then couldnt be bothered to maintain it , now its about to seize up & shut down
Posted by: martin taylor | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:28 PM
Come and join our campaign against the Tory toff. We're all meeting up tomorrow at Moyra's country estate in the morning, then riding cross country to Crewe for some leafleting before returning to the Pembrokeshire National Park for a spot of game shooting. All New Labour supporters welcome. Pip pip!
Posted by: Luke Akehurst | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:31 PM
Come and join our campaign against the Tory toff. We're all meeting up tomorrow at Moyra's country estate in the morning, then riding cross country to Crewe for some leafleting before returning to the Pembrokeshire National Park for a spot of game shooting. All New Labour supporters welcome. Pip pip!
Posted by: Luke Akehurst | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:31 PM
I am hoping the Tories win in Crewe. Labour have milked the British people in stealth taxes, fuel taxes, the 10p tax abolition and worst of all milking out pension system. I am certainly worse off than I ever was under the last Tory regime. Bring back a Maggie Thatcher.
Posted by: Norman McCollum | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 09:51 PM
To the writer above who suggested that voters want to punish Labour, mainly for Iraq and Afghanistan, I would suggest that these two issues don't even register on the radar of most voters, even though they are of great importance to the relatively small number of people who read The Independent.
Most people are fed up with interfering local & national government, high taxes and charges for everything deriving from Government (passports, driving licences, prescriptions, council tax, petrol), excessive immigration and the perceived hostility of Labour to the indigenous British working & middle class citizens. They are also getting mightily tired of the green message being thrust at them, and the apparent glee of the hair-shirt brigade in devising methods to limit their lifestyles in the name of sustainability, no matter how worthy the cause.
Posted by: John Morris | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 10:13 PM
Paul Connolly's understanding of British politics is as poor as his grammar and spelling. New Labour's real and tragic error was its pusillanimity and vacuousness. Blame Tony Blair, not Gordon Brown. Blair could have buried the Tories and driven a stake through the last vestiges of Thatcherism, but failed even to try. Indeed, he tried to ape Thatcherism and even outdo it.
If people really want to punish the government, they should vote Liberal Democrat, not boost Cameron the Chameleon. And that's the only way we'll even get near PR, by the way, Neil.
Cameron is merely the smooth-talking frontman for the unreformed Tory Europhobes, homophobes and private-sector fanatics.
Posted by: Zigurds Kronbergs | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 10:16 PM
One has to feel sorry for the Labour party, with their competence now so low that they can't even manage an effective smear campaign against their rival.
I see that Tamsin Dunwood herself is looking for sympathy, asking to be elected because she is a single mother of five desperate for a job. However, voters will be looking for someone with ability, and integrity.
Posted by: Ben Elford | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 10:24 PM
Dunwood: not a deliberate error.
Dunwoody
Posted by: Ben Elford | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 10:27 PM
Ida the American has to understand that the Labour Party was founded by the working class to represent its interests. Tony Blair worked out that in the late 90's you also needed the middle class on board to get a Parliamentary majority. So, the Party pandered to the middle class and was elected. But, the Party has now pandered the middle class so long and so hard that it has forgotten who it was initially supposed to represent. So much so, that at the last Budget the Party took from the poor to give to the relative rich . (You've heard of Robin Hood, well, its the same thing but in reverse).
Well, the peasants feel like they've been ripped off by these sham politicians with their very big expensive houses and book deals. Which is why they have decided to give the Tories their support. Not because they think that Cameron is the best thing since sliced bread, or that he's more likely to save the whale. They are (include me please) voting Tory to ensure that Labour gets the maximum possible stuffing at the next election. The Liberals are in third place in too many seats and this isn't the time for gambling. So, rather than take a risk that Labour might sneak it has to be the Tories.
Posted by: Ed | Monday, 19 May 2008 at 10:39 PM
This thursday Labour will lose the by election while the Conservatives will be hoping for the chance to scalp a Government MP, If Labour voters want to punish the Government, they should vote for the Liberal Democrats, voting Conservative will have a dangerous affect on Crewe, look at the Council, this will send a message across the country that Voting Conservative is ok now, Its not. Take a closer look at the Conservative controlled councils, and they will make you to decide that in Crewe, the Liberal Democrats have a chance to say what is right, so give them a chance for a Change.
Posted by: Gary Scott | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 12:52 AM
To triedandtwistedl, when I was 16 I was not roasting anything by a campfire, but in the hospital with hydrocephalus. I had many brain surgeries due to my arachnoid cyst and meningitis. All in Philadelphia, so the free loader comment is not valid.
I find it somewhat hilarious that because I mentioned I was an American, everyone on here is judging me. I have been living here for the past 8 years, not free loading! So, thanks to everyone who just insulted me because of where I grew up--that says a lot, you are no better than the idiot Americans who call chips 'freedom fries'. To answer some more of your questions, I am a photographer and not a "he". So what of my age? I have been through more tragedy and illness than most people, and I do not appreciate being put down because of where I come from or my age!
Posted by: Ida | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 02:52 AM
I just want to point out one more thing. If you think an American would come to England to "freeload" you are blind. I have basically starved for a month because your food and produce are so expensive, I can't drive because you tax the petrol heavily--you charge 11 dollars a gallon! As for clothes--well who has £40 to waste on a t shirt, even your primark is atrocious!
I was only trying to point out in my original message that the one good thing going for your country is the NHS, and yes it does have its problems, but conservatives have complained here about the NHS, and I do think it is a strong possibility that they would get rid of it, if they had the chance. Remember--tories are not socialists, so they will try to throw away anything that is fair and just.
I have put money into your society for almost a decade, and I am not allowed to vote, so if I want to come on a blog and voice my opinion, I do not deserve to get attacked.
Posted by: Ida | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 02:59 AM
I actually live in the Crewe and Nantwich constituency and, unlike many of your contributors, have some idea of what is going on here. This is a by-election, not a parliamentary election, and all sorts of things have been happening from all parties. People with a long political memory will remember how such elections have been fought in the past. The task is to get your share of the vote out. For those with an environmental background, the mailshots particularly from the Tories and the Lib Dems have hit double figures! Every time I turn around there is a Tory newspaper on the doormat!The inescapable truth is that the election of a Tory MP to this constituency would mean misery for large numbers of people. The current local Tory council have ground large-scale regeneration projects to a halt and made it clear that investment is not on their agenda. We will be dragged into the new Cheshire East unitary authority with a huge inbuilt Tory majority. Can you really blame Labour for trying to get representation in the area? As to the crocodile tears about the Toff campaign, the Tory party has held the most ruthless and best-financed party machine for a very long time. Go and cry in your Bollinger.
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 07:46 AM
Good to see that the 'Crawling up the Labour Party's Arse' (the 'Independent's secret identity) still keeps some nutjobs off the streets.
Posted by: Chris Smith | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 07:52 AM
Looks like I've just proved my point about the Tories!
Thanks Chris Smith
Posted by: peter cameron | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 07:57 AM
The Ida Express is surely a spoof email.
If you want a stereotypical utterance of American jibberish with absolutely no grasp or comprehension of "Outside Idaho" reality than that entry just confirms it to me how niave to be polite, the correspondent is unfortunately so prevelant in the USA.
Posted by: Lush Laroo | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:06 AM
I hope on Friday Mr Cameron you will be crying in your pint of mild washing down a nice bowl of peanuts
How appropiate
PS Tories prefer Krug to Bolly
Posted by: Lush Laroo | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:13 AM
Ida, Ignore the trolls. They ALWAYS voted Tory and always will. Their racism and xenophobia should tell you that! They just see their moment to pounce has arrived. Fact is that the ordinary level headed folks in this country have enjoyed an unprecedented prosperity and now that international factors are pushing up inflation and causing problems in the housing market some of us are feeling the pinch. To blame Gordon Brown for the US loans crisis or rising rice, wheat and oil prices is irrational.
What NuLabour HAS done is insulted just about every social group in the country. By caving into the right wing press they are demonising 2 million of our Muslim fellow citizens. They aren't fools. They can see who the 42 days detention is aimed at. The unions too, have had their financial and political support kicked in their faces. 'We don't need your money now. We've got a new pal, Lord Levy.' and so on.
I'm a lifelong Labour supporter and activist. I've seen scores of like minded members walk away from the Party because it no longer represents them or their aspirations.
While government spends months mulling over the 42 days, and billions on identity cards, they should instead turn their mind to the unfair council tax, the outrageous rail fares and the cost of fuel. They also need to find a way out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Pronto. That's what people on the doorstep talk about.
Posted by: Vince | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:15 AM
Ida, Ignore the trolls. They ALWAYS voted Tory and always will. Their racism and xenophobia should tell you that! They just see their moment to pounce has arrived. Fact is that the ordinary level headed folks in this country have enjoyed an unprecedented prosperity and now that international factors are pushing up inflation and causing problems in the housing market some of us are feeling the pinch. To blame Gordon Brown for the US loans crisis or rising rice, wheat and oil prices is irrational.
What NuLabour HAS done is insulted just about every social group in the country. By caving into the right wing press they are demonising 2 million of our Muslim fellow citizens. They aren't fools. They can see who the 42 days detention is aimed at. The unions too, have had their financial and political support kicked in their faces. 'We don't need your money now. We've got a new pal, Lord Levy.' and so on.
I'm a lifelong Labour supporter and activist. I've seen scores of like minded members walk away from the Party because it no longer represents them or their aspirations.
While government spends months mulling over the 42 days, and billions on identity cards, they should instead turn their mind to the unfair council tax, the outrageous rail fares and the cost of fuel. They also need to find a way out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Pronto. That's what people on the doorstep talk about.
Posted by: Vince | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:28 AM
Unfortunately Vince you represent the dinosaur wing of the Labour party.
Your love of unreconstructed Socialisim is a relic of the the 1970's and look what Labour of those years did they nearly destroyed our country .
That is when I stopped voting Labour and did not rejoin the party until Blair took over.
However his actions have left this country in a sorry state and I could not now vote Labour .
They are a disgrace and as poor person on a small pension the abolition of the 10% taxband was the final nail in Browns coffin for me, a calculated political move to curry favour of the well off at the expense of us earning under £13,000 per annum I get half of that but pay so much tax it is really disgusting this has happened and Brown deserves to be hounded from office a traitor to those he pupports to protect.
Sorry but your defense of that infintile statement from Ida shows how little of the grey matter you are applying to you entry and puts you in the same box of ridcule that not only Tory but Labour supporters will hold you in.
Posted by: John from Hampshire | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:35 AM
That's the problem when you let little children use the computers without proper supervision. Never mind Chris and Lush, Nanny will soon be taking you out in the park for your morning walk. Next Tory clone, please.
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:44 AM
Thank you for your perceptive appraisal of my post, John from Hampshire. I was surprised to hear how Labour nearly destroyed the country in the 70's. I thought it was the Tories in the 80's that closed the shipyards, the steel mills, the coal mines, and along with them hundreds of dependent manufacturing businesses. You must have forgotten that it was the unions that fought and struggled for generations to improve the lot of ordinary folks, and without them the mass or working people would still be serfs. Those brave men and women drove up wages and that pulled up the wages of supervisors and management too. As a pensioner, next time you pick up your heating allowance or travel free on a bus, you'll remember to thank Labour for that, won't you?
Posted by: Vince | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 08:56 AM
The blame for Crewe is fairly and squarely at Tony Blair and Gordon Browns door.
It is true that Brown obviously missed his charm school briefings and has had a personality lobotomy but it is his, and his party's policies and incompetence that have got us here.
Since this government took office we have seen everything worthwhile in Britain destroyed.
We have nothing to look up to or aspire to and many leave school barely literate or numerate.
Our great industries are no more,(jaguar and Landrover now belong to India),all our utilities are foreign owned, and our sovereignty now belongs almost wholly to Brussels.
Our grossly underfunded armies fight wars against countries that do not pose a threat, huge amounts of our taxes are sent to fill dictators bank accounts in Africa and the streets are full of foreigners.
Parts of Britain rarely hear the English language and our leaders and leaders of the EU feather their nests at our expense.
Our Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury seems to be more interested in the Koran than in the Bible,and the courts favour the criminal over the victims.
The feckless are given a life of ease while those who make the effort to get up and work are taxed to the hilt.
This is Labours legacy to a once proud nation.
Blair was to blame for most of this but it was Brown who sold our gold. It was Brown who stole our pensions, who can't make a decision, and who shafted us all over the EU referendum.
It is his policies that leave our military with broken housing, not enough equipment and who treat the Gurkhas and our wounded with contempt.
It was Labours decision to run the bloody sunday enquiry and prosecute soldiers for war crimes and it is under his watch that we read daily of soft judges letting criminals go on golfing holidays.
This is why the Labour Party and GB are finished.
We are surely lions led by donkeys and Brown is the biggest ass of them all
Posted by: Dean Page | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 10:17 AM
When Labour are comprehensively trashed in Crewe, it will be because they've gutlessly betrayed all their voters, and *deserve* to lose.
Launched two wars to prop-up a quasi-Nazi maniac in the USA; about to launch a third on Iran; tried to tax the poorest harder; refused to join the Euro and now the pound's gone down the toilet; refused to join Schengen; connived with the filthy yanks to conceal the details of Matty Hull's death; connived with the Metropolitan Police to conceal the details of Jean de Menezes's death; plan to intoduce Cadet Corps in schools; plan to increase detention-without-trial to 42 days; refused to meet the Dalai Lama at Downing Street because they're stinking cowards with no GUTS; did NOTHING, NOTHING for Burma at all. And the list goes on and on.
Gordon Brown is a stinking gutless liar. This man is a traitor who puts the interests of the USA ahead of his own country. He should be arrested for war crimes, along with Tony Bliar.
These are the reasons Labour voters in Crewe, and across the country, have deserted a party whose principle goals are to support yankee neocons in every gutless way imaginable. The Labour Party has lost its spine, and is reduced to being a talentless team of onanists falling over themselves to do favours for a Nazi administration in Washington. "Labour"? GUTLESS TRAITORS.
Posted by: Neil McGowan | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 10:47 AM
George Monbiot (in today's Guardian) labels the Brown administration as the most right-wing since WW2:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/20/labour.guardiancolumnists
Posted by: Neil McGowan | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 12:34 PM
Reading Dean's comments, I note that the Tory clones have been let out of their playpen again. Convenient he just happened to have that weblink to hand. I wonder if he actually is at the election front or sitting in the Tory bunker in London?
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 04:37 PM
The second post by Neil is absolutely spot on. I have been advocating for some time that we do not have a true democracy and we are about to get rid of Labour and put another self serving bunch in their place. We do not have any real choices but if more and more of us demand common sense in politics then we might see a difference.
Posted by: John Finningham | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 05:53 PM
l warned labour voters in 1997,vote for labour you will live to regret it. as an ex shop steward l had values and
always used my brain first, then my mouth something this
goverment have not possesed in the last 11yrs.the only
thing they did well was pillage and waste taxpayers money,
ie 5bln a year raided from pension funds, quango's £167bln
down the drain,no border control any tom dick and harry
let in,mickey mouse humanrights,nhs in melt down,12.5bln
wasted on unfit patient computer system ect.they have never learnt by their mistakes, if it works dont try and fix it HELP.
Posted by: john cross | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 06:11 PM
right on dean , bottler & co are finished , at last
Posted by: martin taylor | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 11:20 PM
Anyone else watch Newsnight last night?
See how the Tory boy chickened out of a live debate with Jeremy Paxman. That's what the Toff stuff is all about, this is a man who cant stand the real rough and tumble of politics. I cant see him fighting for his constituents, probably too busy keeping his law practice going. He was just as pathetic on a BBC Radio Stoke lunchtime interview panel
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Wednesday, 21 May 2008 at 09:42 AM
"Anyone else watch Newsnight last night?
See how the Tory boy chickened out of a live debate with Jeremy Paxman. That's what the Toff stuff is all about, this is a man who cant stand the real rough and tumble of politics."
Wow - that's so much worse than Gordon Brown chickening out of an ELECTION before either party or country! Thank God he's not a toff - who knows what he might have done!
Posted by: Shawcross | Wednesday, 21 May 2008 at 12:48 PM
Heard the one about the Tory worker who released the names, addresses and socio-economic details of over 8,500 voters in the by-election today direct to the BBC.
Yes, it's true. Ask the BBC if you dont believe me.
So much for your caring, nice Tories.
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Thursday, 22 May 2008 at 01:29 PM
hi Peter , bet you are not happy with the Crewe result , oh well
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