Minority Report: Freshers week 'seduction website' angers Sikhs
Sikhs have angrily condemned a website (left) which appears to be run by young male Muslims and boasts about seducing Sikh women during freshers week at university.
The website contains pictures of at least 25 Sikh women which the site's administrators claim to have seduced alongside highly provocative remarks about the women and the Sikh religion.
Timed to coincide with the start of the university year - described in the site as a time when "[Muslim] soldiers go hunting for Sikh slappers" - the website's creators encourage friends and readers to send in pictures of Sikh women they have seduced during freshers week.
The website, whose address the Independent has declined to publish in order to protect the women's identities, has caused outrage among many Sikhs and risks damaging the historically tense relationship between Britain's Sikhs and Muslims.
Although there is nothing on the site to prove whether the women have been physically involved with Muslim men other than the insulting comments left next to the pictures, the highly provocative site is clearly aimed at stirring up tensions between Muslims and Sikhs.
In some areas of Britain - particularly West London, Birmingham and the North-East - both communities remain deeply suspicious of each other particularly when it comes to the controversial topic of cross faith relationships. Young male Sikh and Muslim gangs have in the past routinely accused each other of "grooming" and "converting" girls from each other's communities.
Interfaith organisations have long argued that more needs to be done by local and national government to tackle these issues.
The website itself is hosted on the popular blogspot.com which is owned by Google. It has currently received 35,500 individual hits, up 10,000 from yesterday when this blog first found out about it.
Ashish Joshi chairman of the Network of Sikh Organisations' media monitoring group, said he had been inundated with angry responses from Sikhs in the past 24 hours.
"I have never seen anything like this," he said. "There have always been concerns about grooming but to advertise such behaviour and encourage others to do so is absolutely shocking."
Mr Joshi denied suggestions that Sikh the anger may have stemmed from Sikh men being uncomfortable about Sikh women having sexual relationships with Muslim men.
"This is not about love, no-one can help who they fall in love with," he said. "This website is all about the deliberate and targeted sexual degradation of Sikh women purely because of their religion. It is about young Muslim men boasting about seducing kaffirs [unbelievers] while keeping their Muslim sisters chaste."
The website will do little to calm rising tensions between young Sikh and Muslim gangs in those areas where tensions are high. Last month a report by the inter-faith group Faith Matters warned the government that more needed to be done to tackle the growing gulf between young Muslim and Sikh men.
Fiyaz Mughal, who compiled the report, said today: "Such websites merely confirm what we are saying and we believe that if social projects to enhance relations between the two communities are not developed then we will see real fissures in cohesion over the next five to 10 years."
We've tried contacting a number of Muslim organisations, particularly those with a large student following such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir and the Federation of Islamic Student Societies (Fosis), to see if they would be willing to comment on the website and I'll let you know if and when they reply. I'm also waiting to hear back from the Muslim Council of Britain and the Ramadhan Foundation.
I wrote to an email address on the website but it has since bounced back.
Thames Valley Police, meanwhile, have confirmed that they are investigating a number of complaints about the website to see if any laws have been broken.
Clearly what the website is encouraging is not reflective of the wider Muslim community who will no doubt be appalled by the way these women's private lives have been outed online in a deeply misogynistic way. But it is a clear example of how easily tensions between Sikhs and Muslims can escalate particularly in the internet age.
UPDATE: 09/10/2008 10.00am
Faisal Hanjra, president of Fosis, the largest body representing Muslim students, has replied to an email from the Sikh Community Action Network in Slough. Here it is:
"Thank you very much for your email below which we received with some concern. I looked briefly over the blog and was disgusted by the content of it and I appreciate fully your concerns. As the representative body of Muslim students in Higher and Further education the anti-Sikh sentiment displayed throughout the blog is certainly something we would be ver concerned by and something we would look to address as a matter of some urgency.
We would though naturally caution against using this blog as a form of proof of 'the preying, invasive and 'groomin' activities of dubious Muslim figures on University campuses'. We have found in the past that such sweeping statement are often unhelpful in addressing some of the underlying concerns and in some instances prove to be rather counterproductive.
I would reiterate our desire and commitment to act on any evidence presented to us in regards to inappropriate activity on the part of Muslim students at any university campus and I would hope the same sentiments would be expressed on the part of representative organisations of other faith groups."
Mr Hanjra then agrees to meet the Sikh Community Action Network.
Meanwhile Dr Shaaz Mahboob, from British Muslims for Secular Democracy has also written saying the website is "very disturbing":
He adds: "It must be remembered that, as rightfully pointed out, there is only a tiny minority of Muslims who would hold such extreme intolerant views when it comes to Sikhs or believers of other faiths, however, we do recognise that this seems to be a growing trend amongst Muslims of young impressionable ages, in particular those attending Universities, away from family guidance and vigiliance perhaps for the first time in their lives. The susceptibility of these youngsters to get swayed by teh rhetoric of those who have mastered the art of manipulating their tender minds leads them to act in such despicable and hateful manner, which clearly also goes against the basic teachings of Islam."
Dr Mahboob then goes on to urge imams and community leaders to use Friday sermons to "pledge their support to rooting out such intolerance and show solidarity with the Sikh community."
UPDATE: 09/10/2008 17.40
Have just got off the phone with Muhammad Shafiq from the Ramadhan Foundation, which specialises in trying to get fractious communities to tlakt to each other. He was very angry about the website and wanted to reiterate that those running the website were not in any way acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam.
"It's an absolutely disgusting site," he said. "These people are not representative of Islam and they are not good Muslims. I have no hesitation in condemning their actions."
He also added however that he was uncomfortable about some of the rhetoric coming from Sikh groups over this particularly with the idea that this is evidence of grooming. "Dialogue is a two way street," he said. "If people like Mr Joshi want to improve relations between our two communities then they need to tone down their rhetoric."
UPDATE: 10/10/2008 10.00
Google have now taken the blog offline. They have however kept it open for the "authors". I wonder if this means those who are given author status on the blog will still be able to view the contents? Depressingly there is probably nothing to stop these people opening up another site or a private password protected page that can only be viewed by subscribers. At least it won't be reaching quite so many people in such a public way.
UPDATE: 12/10/2008 13.00
The MCB have written a letter to Sikh groups. Here's an extract:
The Muslims Council of Britain is appalled and disturbed by the content on the blog identified which is plainly offensive. Anti-Sikh sentiment such as this is not productive in the dialogue between different faiths and communties, and nor does it assist community cohesion.
The views expressed on that blog belong to those that expressed them; it is important not to tar the majority of Muslims - who have no desire to disrupt and undermine relations with those of other faiths - with the same brush of intolerance. The allegations of "grooming" mentioned in the Independent newspaper website are also serious and best addressed not by speculation but by Thames Valley Police who are already undertaking an investigation.
UPDATE: 17.10.2008 18.05
Despressingly the site has resurfaced with a different ISP. There was always a good chance that this would happen. It still seems to be hosted by the blogspot.com website so I'll go back to chasing Google to find out what's going on.
What a nonsense article. It is you who is stirring things by making no-issue an issue. Low level sensational journalism.
Posted by: ztauseef | Wednesday, 08 October 2008 at 04:28 PM
I think that website is absoloutely disgusting, i myself am actually catholic, the way these women have been targeted is ridiculous, and the fact that the police ar alowing them to leave it up is even worse!
Posted by: disgusted | Wednesday, 08 October 2008 at 06:16 PM
who a sikh women chooses to sleep with is her own business. However the "infidel- kaffir" mentality that muslim youth use, to put down other religions and cultures is a result of corrupt mosques and imams. The Islamic ummah can not be blamed for the actions of corrupt muslims.
Posted by: saeed | Wednesday, 08 October 2008 at 06:55 PM
What are these good muslim boys doing having sex outside of marriage anyway? As for keeping their muslim sisters chaste - you usually find they're messing around with sikh, hindu & christian blokes!
Posted by: Farah | Wednesday, 08 October 2008 at 08:47 PM
I have many Muslim friends, but reading this today has made me concerned and unsettled about young Muslims males attitudes towards the Sikh faith and Sikh females. You would think the Muslim community has enough problems, then comes along this bright spark who decides to initiate feelings of hate and racism. As for ztauseef comment, well you must be on another planet, because these are real issues and by the looks of things you didnt even bother reading the blog or saw the pictures before posting your comment, also, these guys actually posed as Sikh men in order to coax these women to sleep with them! It's no wonder people dont like Muslim's, its the few like these guys who post the blog that damage the Muslim faith completely. Viewed by 35 thousand and growing, expect tension and anger...how else would one feel?
Posted by: A Sikh female | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 12:11 AM
This from members of a self-proclaimed "peaceful religion"? Will their fellow Muslims condemn it, or will they remain silent? I sincerely hope it's the former...
(In case anyone's interested, I don't believe in God, nor do I follow any organised religion.)
Posted by: Joji | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 05:13 AM
This is what westerners are best at...divide and rule.
Posted by: Indian | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 05:41 AM
I'm a Muslim bloke, and all I can say to the absolute plonker who set up this stupid website is....well...I'm afraid its unprintable.
My sincere apologies to ALL Sikhs, (but especially the unfortunate Sikh women who've been libelled on the website) on behalf of some of my own idiotic co-religionists. I have to say sorry for them because I've no doubt you'll never get anything like an apology from them in person. They're just completely brain-dead.
I really don't know what else to say...
Posted by: Golam Murtaza | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 06:33 AM
I have a feeling the site is a hoax... well at least it could be...
Since the person behind it has been contacted by police - can't he be named (and shamed?)
Is it possible the guy could be a Sikh looking to provoke a reaction to a perceived problem? I really want to know what kind of a scumbag makes websites like this... I think the Indy should find him!!!
Posted by: moz | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 09:51 AM
Such an interesting issue event. I honestly dont know how to respond. Partly, its the youth being youth...girls have relationships, boys have relationships etc...
But then the other part is the religious intolerance of it all. I dont agree with the idea that shaming these girls will do anything. Young muslim men, have some modesty.
Posted by: Effay | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 01:43 PM
This is no surprise to me. I am a Sikh I live in central London. Many Muslims would insist that it was necessary and appropriate for me to peruse a relationship with them insisting it is permissible in my faith and theirs. One even wore a kara and said its a cultural item not a religious item and that we both believe in the same things. Growing up in an area where my family is the only Sikh family, many Muslims have bombarded us with Islamic literature (face to face, in school / uni and through our letterbox) stating we will burn in the hellfire if we do not convert. I am honestly and truly not surprised by the offending blog.
Posted by: Sonia | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 02:08 PM
especially for muslims like ztauseef and the ones who have been part of all this most shameful action of theirs--Shud this have happened to you, what wud have been your reaction? Wud ztauseef have reacted the same way if this had been related to his SISTER, WIFE or MOM?
Posted by: a sikh female | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 02:17 PM
Julie Bindel wrote an incredible and disturbing article in the Times about young Muslim men grooming white girls in Yorkshire, targetting them and using the Koran to brainwash them into being pliant, then passing them around between other Muslim men. It is a very significant problem in the north of England. This seems to be different, but rooted in the same kind of degenerate racist misogyny that displays itself in other ways by a section of male Muslim youth. As someone said earlier, it is things like this that gives Muslims a bad name.
Posted by: Paul | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 02:26 PM
The site has pictures copied from facebook or related and from news article.
First mistake is labelling the females as "Sikh's". A Sikh of the Guru SGGSJ would never behave in this manner.
Just because one is born in a "Sikh" family does not make you a "GurSikh" automatically.
Posted by: kaur | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 05:23 PM
Whenever there has been an issue about the Islamic faith or something concerning Muslims, the police and media are very quick to cover such things eg. the teacher naming a teddy bear Mohammed but when it comes to what the minority of muslims say or do about other faiths, where is the media and police then? Then all of a sudden it becomes an issue of free rights and freedom of speech. Utter rubbish.. Maybe the rest of us should learn to make a massive fuss out of things the way they do
Posted by: angry sikh female | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 05:26 PM
When I saw the website it made me physically sick that girls have been exposed in such a way. Who cares who sleeps with who but there’s no need in plastering it on the internet?
The point about targeting Sikh girls, does the Muslim community not wonder why there is such hatred within the world towards them when things like this are happening.
I think Muslim boys need to grow up and think about the fact that they have sisters, mothers and daughters and if the story was the other way around it would have been such a big deal for Muslims.
Posted by: Nav | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 05:33 PM
I cnt believe wats happening in the 21st centuary. So out of order, some people are so mentally ill, wats wrong with these muslamnai. Has anyone got the link to the actualy weblg, coz i wanna have a look, been reading up about it, but i aint seen it. Could someone pls foward it. Thankx
Posted by: RJK | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 06:38 PM
the blog site is currently not operational 'This blog is in violation of Blogger's Terms of Service and is open to authors only' so it can't be viewed.
Posted by: sikh female | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 08:02 PM
i would like to say that i am proud of the sikh women coming onto this website and showing their feelings towards this. whereas the ones that are reading and looking at the blog and thinking it cant happen to me, wake up and realise. i have muslim friends but since i have been at school there has always been hatred among sikhs and muslims where i live and studied. Women being the main reason, even going great lengths and prison for what i and my friends have believed, to keep sikh and hindu girls within our own faith not because we are rascist but because of the way girls end up, and their families. we have seen many girls out of their tricky situations but regret to say many that have fallen foul. so please, my fellow sikh/hindu brothers and sisters, realise the problems before it is too late and trust in waheguru, ishwar and allah as god is one no matter which language or culture you are from or speak.
waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh.
Posted by: Sikh Soldier | Thursday, 09 October 2008 at 10:42 PM
It is disgusting that few of the stupid people have done this. I am a Canadian sikh. I know some of my young sikh brothers who are dating muslim women too. I think those young muslims should think twice before doing anything like this. If you want respect, give respect. I think these type of things add some fuel to the situation. We Sikhs are brave people. I encourage my young sikhs fellows to learn from our history how Sikhs fought with muslim kings to save the country, religion and our land. Here, in Canada we Sikhs now make half million and growing. I encourage my british Sikh brothers and sisters to react peacefully but be prepared for war if somebody insult our religion.
Sura so pehchaniye jo lare deen ke het
purja purja kat mare kabhu na shaade khet
(means that Sikh is called brave who fights for the religion, even every part of his body dies but he never leave the ground)
Bole so Nihal Sat Shri Akal
Posted by: Another Sikh Soldier | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 02:15 AM
The blog was unbelievable and a wake up call to everyone that we need to raise our consciousness and realise we have a conscience to start with!!!If the author of the blog had a conscience-he would not have done this!! we 'Khalsa' are not one to provoke hatred or violence, as per our SIkh history we have always been on the defensive and fighting for our principles and freedom of free-will/Religion/Peace and in defending the oppressed. Our morals are of a high level, with a high societal mentality, that of a humanitarian/love and respect for all, of working hard/sharing with others, and enhancing our spirituality to reach and be one with God through this realisation that God is all around us/within us. This high spiritual and moral enlightenment comes only when we practice Sikhi and abide and stick to our principles and praise in the name of God. We 'Khalsa' would not even dream of touching another's 'wife/sister/mother', we are told to respect women and keep their honour. I mean why would someone even do that and create the blog or even hold such low values?
I truly believe that the person/s who set up that blog are of a very low mentality both morally and spiritually. How can they possibly be god-lovers and good muslims? Religion/faith is about creating discipline and a path to live by to aid us in our ultimate goal of being one with God.
Everyone needs to wake up, i believe though maybe only a few so called muslim boys are doing this/it could be alot as well, it is a genuine threat and we have seen many sikh girls and girls from other faiths convert to islam. Why is this happening? Also they are giving good muslims a very bad name.
The Punjabi community need to WAKE UP!! We need to educate everyone about what and who we are. These instances should not even be happening.Obv the pictures of the girls may be genuinely harmless, with false captions. Yet the issue is a big threat! Everyone needs to make these idiotic people realise they will achieve nothing by targeting sikh women or degrading womanhood as a whole.Education is key in making the people realise.
May Waheguru bestow realisation on all and to uphold the truth and righteousness and not be persons of low morals and low conscience with low actions.
Posted by: akaur | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 08:32 AM
I am a sikh woman, and i feel there is good and bad in all cultures....It is just unfortunate that in todays society their is still a minority of 'Mindless Idiots'
WE dont ask to be judged by our religion, but we are what we are, and ppl should just learn to accept others, and not put together pages of rubbish and single them out...For what? These could be harmless pictues, but you think how bad fo for the women?
They are someone sister and daughter....imagine how you would feel if you saw your sister or daughter posted on here?
What goes around comes around be it you or me, but god will punish these individuals !
Posted by: Sikh Woman | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 01:04 PM
Please view this website about personal accounts of non-baptised Punjabi Sikhs who converted to Islam, but soon realised they did it for the wrong reasons and left their life and family for a Muslim lad, but more importantly it just shows to what extent the situation can and is getting to.
http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/
Posted by: akaur | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 02:41 PM
that site is absoulutely disgusting i myself is thinking what low life would do that? have they not got sisters? whatever rong those girls have done is there own business, what will they get out of broadcastin it online? things like that can make people feel suicidal, plus how do we know if those girls are "bad" or if there jus mere enemies of the muslim boys who have took photos of facebook to shame them, i personally think that all girls are probably in threat if they have got their picture on a social networking site i.e facebook.
i also think that the site should be closed down immediately, firstly theres people identies on there does that fall in data protection? i dont know if thats right but surely u cant keep a site like that up, they mind as well start auctioning the girls off! doubt the police would do something then aswell! im sorry for my outburst but i think the site is really disgusting and something should be done!!!
Posted by: sikh girl | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 02:57 PM
i jus came to know that the site has been closed to public. good news,
now people should realise not to be "open" to muslim guys!!!
Posted by: sikh girl | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 03:58 PM
There are alot of racists prejudice comments made, this is exactly what the maker of the website intended. Instead of insulting muslims why dont we jut all stick together against ignorent individuals such as the maker of that website.
I have many female sikh friends, and they would never think badly of me because how i am towards them. I treat them how i would want to be treated myself. I even work with some sikh girls and get along with them very well, things like this should not break our friendship.
Posted by: peace_lover | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 08:13 PM
The site is shut. Many thanks to Jerome Taylor. Google should be made accountable for this and say sorry to all the girls whoes photos have been abused. I hope the police will give this issue due attention.
Posted by: Satnam Kaur | Friday, 10 October 2008 at 08:25 PM
Islamic male chauvenism is a global phenomenon and in the British isles, also exisits north of the border. Though it transcends education, income and geography, it is exceedingly high with those from Pakistan.
Posted by: dev | Saturday, 11 October 2008 at 06:20 AM
im sorrry but the site isnt a hoax because i no some girls targeted. thats to moz
Posted by: sikh95 | Saturday, 11 October 2008 at 08:40 PM
not be sad but the people who made the site has started all this debate they OBVIOUSLY want sikhs to hate muslims, and however wrong it sounds, i dont think i can trust muslims!
ps before everyone starts postin comments thats my own opinion nothing can change that
some muslims are gloating and that is ridiculous they wouldnt like it if their sisters/wives was on a webiste named and shamed
and i bet theres loads ov pictures of muslims girls doing the same thing, the only thing IS that sikh guys would not shame them that way!
Posted by: sikhni | Sunday, 12 October 2008 at 12:01 AM
Firstly people should be aware of what is going on in these peoples minds who seduce and convert girls. Be alert of what is going on, because usually it all ends up in tears in the end so be warned. Besides there have been alot of muslim conversions to other religions, its just one doesnt hear about them because they fear of repraisals.
Posted by: Tiger | Sunday, 12 October 2008 at 03:23 PM
I think its important not to let things like this change the way you judge a group of people, simply because you shouldnt judge people as a group but as individuals, but at the same time its a wake up call to be wary of the kind of people that are out there. Stay true to who you are and follow your morals and dont let the wrong people or propaganda affect you
Posted by: gsingh | Sunday, 12 October 2008 at 08:22 PM
I am a Sikh but don't hate muslims or anyone from any religion. Why can't people be tolerant and respect each other's views and faiths? This is not a new occurence. Some Muslims have been doing this for decades at Universities at staged events. It is disgusting. I work with many Muslims and find the majority no different to Sikhs I know. Despite this I think Sikh Girls should wake up and think twice about their actions and the consequences. This group of neanderthal-like muslim extremists are pure evil. Zero intelligence, Zero morals and ethics and highly misguided if they think all non-muslims will not find God or Heaven. In fact we should feel sorry for them because God will certainly not accept them despite what they think. God is One, God is All. If you can't see God in every person, You cannot see God at All.
Posted by: harnek | Monday, 13 October 2008 at 08:50 AM
i have just seen that this website is still viewable! which i dnt understand. At this time there is a group on facebook called - Warning to Sikhs (especially girls).. and especially during Freshers Week.
Here you can find the website which is viewable. i am actually appauled by these disgusting peoples attitudes to who created the website.
Posted by: another v.angry kaur! | Monday, 13 October 2008 at 06:27 PM
I am totally against everything going on right now with these sites, but now it is posted on another blogspot.com site that a big 'kick off' is happening in couple weeks with guns and everything.. I know a lot of people and family from both sides of religion and realy do not wanna c it get like this.. somebody needs 2 stop this 'meeting'!
Posted by: S | Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 09:51 AM
All Muslim girls - think twice about the muslim boy you are going to marry, espescially after reading this article, what has ISLAM taught these people.
Posted by: R | Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 12:45 PM
Well..... now where should I start??
If these Muslim BOYS want to go along like this then two can play this game. Many of us SIKH MEN could also tell dirty and seedy stories about what we have done with the muslim girls, but because we have been bought to respect all people we dont go on like this. However, now has come the time. I was going out or casually seeing a muslim lady who was not only TEN YEARS OLDER than me but she went home and had twins which were mine but her family do not know this. Still up until this day they don not know this. May be we should do what the muslims are doing and put pictures on the internet.
Posted by: Mr Singh | Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 01:58 PM
why have the comments after 1.58 pm removed ??
Posted by: amrit | Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 04:41 PM
I can’t fathom how ignorant these men are. Do they not realize that their actions are having a ripple effect on their own religion. Do they not see that more actions like these will create more and more hostile attitudes towards muslims. Which will then result in more discrimination against muslims. Is this what they want, also everyone knows that not every muslim is like this. but the boys who made this website should know that they are killing their own slowly, and to the good muslim sort out your trash. Don’t let these lame brains represent you. My thoughts are with the girls that were involved with these animals, be more aware.
Posted by: Shaman | Tuesday, 14 October 2008 at 04:43 PM
Call yourself Muslim Soldiers more like a bunch of ignorant Twats that find it hard to Integrate into society and wonder why? Its acts like these that give the religion a bad name. This is just inciting more racial hatred obviously these individuals feel there is not enough. A message to these people is when it comes knocking on your door don't complain, act all innocent and play the victim.
Posted by: JT | Wednesday, 15 October 2008 at 08:02 AM
Who and where do you start with the blame factor? Do you blame the girls for falling for the fairy tale romance or the boys for trying to entice them? At the end of the day this is giving both religions a bad name....Sikh girls are being labelled as 'easy'(no offence as im sikh) and muslim boys are being classed as 'soldiers'(that is a joke in itself) either way where will it end? Men will not lose anything....its the girls whom are being labelled named and shamed! The boys get to look like 'so called stallions' NOT ! they are a disgrace to their culture and their society !
Posted by: AKaur | Wednesday, 15 October 2008 at 01:27 PM
I actually saw this site a few months ago and im shocked its taken so long for something to be done about it. its disgusting and degrading, its a shame that they think by doing this they are shaming sikh girls when most of all they are only shaming themselves. And i know everyone keeps saying that the sites been closed and you cant access it but every link i have been sent ive been able to see it =S
Posted by: H | Wednesday, 15 October 2008 at 04:04 PM
Being a person of mature age I am very new to the face book/my space sites, however it looks to me as if this idiot has taken pictures off these sites (apart from a couple)and added them to his sick page. I have nieces and two sons who use these sites and often worry that they allow too much information about themselves to be viewed by strangers.
In the early 80's there were many Skih girls leaving home with Muslim guys, many of whom I knew however all of them lived to regret the choices they had made.
I think the best thing we can do is to use this site to show our young girls that they need to think about their actions and to be careful. I agree with all of you who have said that we should not make it a hate issue against Muslim and I am pleased to see comments from Muslim people condemning the site. For all the girls who photos have been put on this site please try to remember where the photos where taken and who you have allowed to have access to them, and may be you can identify the idiot who has set this site up. From a legal point of view if the information he has posted is slanderous you might be able to take legal action. I can not believe that the police are allowing him to continue this site as it seems to me he could add anyone photo and make any allegation. Please let’s not automatically believe that these young girls have done any thing wrong.
Posted by: concerned | Thursday, 16 October 2008 at 08:27 PM
As a journalist of the Sikh faith I am happy someone has highlighted a serious issue within two communities in Britain. This guy is in no way sensationalising it and this is credible journalism.
On the issue - it is very concerning that so many people are claiming they are not suprised by this. The problem is that Islam, as well as Christianity, is a religion that believes all non-believers are doomed fools. So certain youth believe this has given them free-licence to treat them like rubbish.
We need to see more activity between Muslim and Sikh leaders helping to bring together the youth or we will probably see the violence we saw in the mid 90's between Sikh and Muslim gangs.
Posted by: Fellow Journalist | Friday, 17 October 2008 at 12:44 PM
As a muslim male i am deeply ashamed,embarassed by the behaviour of some of our muslim males.I beg for forgiveness,surely its a condemeble act,islam says to protect the honour of non-muslims thats the teaching an religion i follow.I cant relate to the upbringing or religion of these guys.Plz forgive us.
Posted by: tariq | Friday, 17 October 2008 at 09:26 PM
stupid grls shudnt of dun it in da first place then stupid hoes
Posted by: grace | Saturday, 18 October 2008 at 01:34 AM
i seen this website as my mate sent me the link i new some of the girls dat was on the website i got to say the girls n the boys dat made this website have no shame for there family sake there as bad as each other but there is no point sitting here blaming people i hope every 1 realises wat dey r doing why cant there be peace and harmony rather then bikering all the tym?
the guys dat made the website shud b ashamed there as dirty as the girls on that website have no shame and dignity so plz stop the nonsence have respect for every 1 maybe this world would b a better place jus realise wat ure doing ure own actions are your own responsibility. THINK BOUT IT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sam | Sunday, 19 October 2008 at 08:27 PM
Iv seen the site....i saw it long time ago i cnt believe they have nly just took this blog off and bringing the issue forward after such a long time.
but when i saw it i thought it was a personal vendetta by crupted group of Muslims with hatred against sikhs i guess....and i thought it was pictures of poor grls that really ain't got anything to do with the men....any grls name can b made up or they can b real names n pics....but ino that ppl like that can just put the purest of a person up ther if they had picture of them and they knew ther nams.....see if u look at the pics sum grls hav been cut out of them.....it cud b that the guy b frustrated that the grl denied him n she happened to b a sikh so he wnted to shame her....well whatever the truth about it.....it is a real shame what was dun.....
Every1 shud knw that we all live on earth as human beings we shud just get on with one another n stop all this heated hatest religous racist outburts upon each other.
Posted by: Truth Seaker | Sunday, 19 October 2008 at 08:53 PM
We here at The Islam-Sikhism Interfaith website have during the past three years been involved in fruitful and heated debate and dialogue with Sikhs on the differences between Islam and Sikhism. However, we have always attempted to do this by upholding the best character. As for this website, we can categorically state that Islam does not condone in any way whatsoever this type of underhanded, despicable and treacherous behaviour.
Any Muslim that has fallen into this devilish act has contradicted every edict in Islam which calls to upholding noble character, righteous action, and treating people with fairness and justice.
Our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or is oppressed." A man asked: "O Messenger of Allaah! I (know how to) help him when he is oppressed, but how can I help him when he is an oppressor?" He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "You can restrain him from committing oppression. That will be your help to him." (Al-Bukhaari & Muslim)
Al-Baraa’ reported: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded us with seven things (one of which was): “Support the transgressed.”
We must all work towards condemning this type of behaviour whether committed by Muslims, Sikhs or otherwise. Indeed, Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq (the truthful) warned: "O people! You recite this verse : 'O you who believe! Upon you is [responsibility for] yourselves. Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided...' (Quran 5:105) (but misinterpret it) for I have heard the Messenger of Allaah (Allaah's peace and blessings be upon him) saying: 'When people see an oppressor but do not prevent him from (doing evil), it is likely that Allaah will punish them all.'" (Abu Daawood; At-Tirmidhee)
Posted by: Islam-Sikhism.com | Monday, 20 October 2008 at 10:49 AM
This article is a fantastic peace of journalism, journalism that has tried to uncover parts of the tension between UK Sikhs and Muslims.
The blogspot is most definately a reflection of how Sikh Women are being treated in the UK. Being a sikh man myself, when hearing about the site, I couldnt bring myself to viewing it due to its distressing nature. However, once reading the article, I began to feel very angry, and very disappointed that such a clearly offensive and down right dirty article could be viewed by the world.
With this I feel that the young muslim man who wrote the blogspot should feel ashamed, that he, himself could single handedly reignite the once harsh flames between UK Sikhs and Muslims. Due to the actions of one dirty minded, foolish individual many people could get hurt... Shame.
Posted by: Sardar Jasveer Singh | Monday, 20 October 2008 at 02:28 PM