It is extraordinary, that under the UN Iraq occupation mandate, U.S. and Britain are responsible for the security of the country including its border. What on earth is going on? This is a second invasion, a war and not a hygenic "operation" as they call it. This will derail the relative peace and stability in the Kurdish area of Iraq. The irony is that, the Turkish army and the ruling AKP party decided to carry out this bloody campaign, while it's overwhelmingly supported by the contaminated Turkish public opinion. The other murky stuff here is the lack of noise and protest from the Kurdish leaders,no wonder Iraq is becoming a terrible jigsaw to assemble. It is time to partition Iraq. Kurds must follow Kosovo's solution.

IN TURKEY OVER 30.000 PEOPLE HAVE TO KILL, AND ANYBODY SUPPORT THE FAMILY OF THEM?( AS THEY SUPPORT PKK ) ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT WHERE PKK FIND THE WEAPONS.PLEASE COMMENT.

When are the women of the world going to come together and take away the boy's toys?
I cannot be the only woman who is sick and tired of their endless capacity for violence? Weapons and technology of Gods is wielded by the most dangerous animal on this planet with the self control of children. I despair

One suspects that, right or wrong, the timing of the new Turkish determination to crush the PKK also has a lot to do with the widespread recognition of Kosovan statehood this week.

this is not the first operation agaist the kurdish people and pkk and it will not be the last. this operation is not lead only by the turkish military but US and Israil also share them in many way. the kurdish problem will not finish with killing them. Erdogan and AKP make just like chameleon. in Diyarbakir he say: there is a kurdish problem , at Ankara he say: one contry one flag and one language, there is no kurdish problem here. in europe he say somthing diffrent. to finish all the war and kiling the turkish goverenment must give the kurdish people all their rights as a nation.
the first day of this operation 22 person have been killed .

You can not host 3000 armed man in your territory, let them attack frequently to your neighbour and talk about stability and peace. There has been stability for the Kurdish terrorists only..
The first step for the stability and development of Iraq is to eliminate all the terrorist activity. The operations of Turkish army will help to the stability of Iraq and its Kurdish region in longer term.

our best wishes to turkish army because pkk is a terorist group. What does el-kaide mean for you also we feel same thing about pkk.They are child killer. Please try to understand us. We are attack to ıraq because we want to live.We don't interest for oil, energy or e.g. When el-kaide bombed to London, our hearts were with your people. And now, please understand us. We need its.

Turkey is a nation coming to grips with who they are. It is interesting that the AKP and the generals have reached an uneasy modus vivendi! They are "natural" enemies of each other but by allowing the armed forces free reign the AKP takes the genrals attention away from the Islamist agenda which the AKP has ... and is enacting.

The people of Turkey are long suffering much as the UK was under the IRA mainland campaigns. Their need to defend their territory from external incursion is inviolable. UK did the same with thousands of troops in NI! So why should thy not be allowed to do the same.

As for Kurds not being allowed to have their own culture - they were the major democratic support which brought the AKP to power in their first election victory! And anyway why should be allowed to take a part of the country back to 14th century mores and culture???

I believe that Turkey real agenda was, is and will be to destroyed any thing belong to Kurds. This is a state fast ideology in Turkey. Long before the first and second iraqi war, Turkey many times made military incursion in the Kurdistan.
Until Kurds will get their fully legitime rights (first of all a self determination right) this rather asymmetric war will continue. With 40 million or so population it is impossible to stop Kurds in the Middle East and in Europe (there are almost 1.5 million Kurds in Europe). The problem is inter-national, not a security problem as Turkey always put it. The international community should intervene this dirty and immoral situation.

SSJ. a Kurdish-Norwegian
Norway

this is how america reward its enemies and punishing its friends \ if pkk was a terrorist party they were killing the 8 turkish soliders which has been captured previously last year instead of releasing them - but that is america policy to support turkey - turks who refused helping usa in iraq war turks who kill anyone who saying there is other nations living in turkey that is how america itself create hostile enemies to america - viva kurdistan we will won this time also

Actually there has been a great disinformation about this military operations.

Turkish army was in the northern iraq something like for the last 10 years. Small miltary bases and military airports are under the control of Turkish army. So it is not an invasion rather than a military operation.

Someone should say to the people in northern Iraq;

if they want to survive in this geographical area, they should know who are permanently here, and who are the temporary...

Actually we do know how to play, thats why we are here for a thousand year on our own independent flag...

Real agenda of Turkey
in the long run
--to destroyed all kind of Kurdish governance, whether it is a federation into Iraq or it has a potential to be an independent state, it does not matter for Turkey.

in the short run

--to stop a possible Kurdish control over Kirkuk (oil rich city)
-- to create an unstable northern Iraq (or more properly Southern Kurdistan)

PKK case is used as a pretext for these main turkish aims.There are ample evidences to support this claim.
Turkish generals made several public comments about the real driving force of Turkey, regarding to Kurdish issue.

PKK repeatedly declared their intentions to stop war against turkey by demanding noting more than some cultural rights and democratic reforms. This is what they get in return from Turkey, even under so called "moderate" AKP government.

Timing after Kosovo`s independence is also interesting!
The message is dirty. Kurdish determination to obtain their legitimate national rights will be much more stronger no matter what ever Turks are capable to do despotically.

MiV
another kurdish-norwegian

Turkey government is a fascist and it tries to undermine Kurdish people. Nationalism is on increasing day to day but fascism will never win.

Wasn't this exact scenario ignored by Bush/Blair? Saddam removed would fracture the country along ethic lines, the Kurds (under handedly backed by US and Israel) would try to declare independence. That the Turks (Iranian and Syrians) would never allow for this.
Iraq was not a war in Britain's interests and I seriously doubt it benefited the US either.
Blair should be indicted for war crimes, he first committed war crimes in Yugoslavia, secondly, Iraq. The misinformation and propaganda used to base a NATO attack on Yugoslavia would have made Goerbals blush. Now, we're getting documentation through which contradicts the "official version" of that war, similar tactics used to prepare for Iraq.
In whose interests does this government serve? It is not the British peoples.
As the foreign secretary is related to settlers in occupied Palestine, (he met with these settler relatives on his recent official visit to Israel) I would suggest that he, like Lord Levy whose connections to Israel made him unfit for the post of ME Envoy should now urgently be reviewed. I am very sensitive myself to "anti British-ism" and as we are looking at very recent and ongoing British victims, young men and women who are dead or permanently and terribly injured, I think it is time now for our interests and our sensibilities to trump anyone else's.
I would like to see a full investigation into cash for honours/access. I would like all friend of Israel (and any other group involved with third countries which secure financial assistance to British ministers/British political parties) investigated, regulated, and registered as a Foreign Interest Lobby ASAP.

All part of the American plan to steal Iraqs Largest super oil field in Kurdistan

In the end I say the War is bad for allllll or is it ell or ol., aul, owl, oll, orl, oollm oaol,
The politicians have ruined my language honest
This is the difference The keyboard with the America and the English with the others. So wherefore are you?
In English we differ… The we talk one lingo of bio fuel if there is any in the Market
European English:
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English" .
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.
The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where! more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
gez listen to urself - now ur also talking like an European!
I ma going to Tuney then Iran and Iraq to teach Englsih it is very simple now. I kow this.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 6044
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania
East Africa

"I dont understand why did you english people name this operation war or invansion?
this operation is for turkish people security, for not OIL. we are not in North Iraq to get some oil just like you did! Turkish Army is in North Iraq because there are lots of terorist. oh damn no, i said terorist i mean i should say they are freedom figthers or kurdish rebels, right?? just Ira and El-Kaide are terorist. and england is alied of Turkey. yes, i believe you with my heart brothers!
i want to say something more about the pkk.
these terrorists was created or endorsed by the uk, the usa, israel, some european countries(ex. belguim), syria, russia, south cyprus, armenia and greece.
we are not silly. one day, someone going to pay this. soon." This is one real. And Türkiye isnt ABD, and isnt UK. AND isnt killer. Only we protecting our country. And you dont understand this because you are not live in the midle east. And you arent IRAQ border neighbour.
It was the thing that should be done and it will help to recover the peace at that area.Turkish Army won't stay at northern Iraq i am sure also Turkish army is fighting with terrorists not the Kurdish people. Thank u TSK.

1.First of all you must understand that PKK is a terrorist
organization which is accepted by U.N, U.S.A and EU.
2.The territory of Iraq is not invented by Turkish Army, this is a self defence operation.
3.It is known by all the world that which armies invented
Iraq and killed over one million innocent civillian people.

So being a "moderatly" stalinist and secular organisation secures them a right to bomb with suicide attacks, raid and kill. Does that give PKK a freehand to use Al-Qaida tactics?

PKK is one of the most blood thirsty terror organisation having a huge share in narcotics trafficking in Europe.

I don't see anybody suggesting making a deal with Colombian drug lords and Al-Qaida. Because such cirme organisations have their existance based on their acts not their beliefs or causes. The only way is to eradicate them using military means or developing rights and living conditions of their population base. But negotiating with them will not bring any good. They will always find an excuse to go violent.

there is nowhere like kurdi.... i cannot get what people understand when saying " stable" North Iraq is not stable you cannot just say "it is stable" at your warm houses.thousand of Turkmens are foisted to leave their homes for what? just for oil. kurds were used for this. when they understand this it is gonna be to late.by the way it is not a invasion but a incursion to take revenge of our martyrs and our 30000 people including babies and our kurdish brothers. allah, help turkish soldiers (heroes)

turkey's 25 th invasion in north irak agaist the kurdish rebellion geurilla. Turkey is thinking that i can solve my kurdish problem with military method. So many people have died in the bloody war till the today that problem is still on agenda. why on agenda if you davastate kurdish village, if you do not give permission for using kurdish langue unemployment high in the kurdish geography turkey will do many many invasion. Problem is not in iraq problem is inside turkey. Turkey is have to find democratic method for solutation that massive and bloody problem

US,UK and local kurdish did nothing in north of Iraq to stop PKK terrorists crossing Turkish border and killing.Therefore Turkish Army has every right to defend its borders.

In 25 years, PKK terror organization has killed more than 40.000 innocent civilians in Turkey. The Turkish Military is doing what exactly an army is supposed to do; to defend its own people. Is not it what USA and England did in 2003? Were not the ones that invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for their own protection?
So, I am asking; What is wrong with that Turkey is chasing terrorists across the border, not like USA or England coming from 1000s miles away and literally invade?
Please answer this.

I would expect The Independent to be more subjective.

With my regards..

Why don't the Turks claim they are hunting down the middle east branch of the Rwandan Interahamwe (Those That Work Together) the Turks could then get away with killing 4.5 million Kurds.

Turkey keeps behaving as dictatorial regime in the area under the protection of the USA. The over 20 millions of Kurds within modern Turkey are not allowed even to speak their own language and are being constantly suppressed by the Turkish deep state. The invasion inn northern Iraq is a completely illegal operation under the international law and is a really shameful behaviour on behalf of the Turks