Today The Independent reports on a major new study into antidepressant drugs, which has found that they have no clinically significant effect. Have you suffered from depression? Do you think there is a fundamental problem with the way that drugs are given licences in this country? Tell us what you think.

"Official Study"? You mean there are also unofficial studies into antidepressant drugs?
Posted by: Clifford | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 06:30 AM
Does this mean that the treatment of vulnerable people by modern Psychiatry and the Mental Health Services is based on a misnomer and a delusion?
Can the "happy pill" really be replaced by kindness, understanding, talking things through and having friends to support one in times of internal misery?
Posted by: Icarus | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 08:47 AM
Paroxetine worked well for me.
Prozac didn't do a thing and neither did cipramil.
I would say though that the side effects aren't pleasant with these SSRIs. I started taking sertraline last year and ended up in hospital with extreme panic and anxiety.
The best treatment I found was jogging for 10 minutes every day. It really helped.
Also writing down my thoughts in the form of short stories helped too.
Posted by: Ash Hague | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 09:45 AM
I found Amytryptiline depressing. Seroxat was helpful in a painful crisis, but stopped my mind working which in turn became depressing and rather frightening.
I also had 2 year's analysis,which still helps-and has enriched 2 short bouts of counselling since.
However, I think the talking cure only works if the person is intelligent enough to have some personal insight. The psychopathically self-centred don't seem to suffer from real depression unless crossed in their demands!
Posted by: .d.windrum | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 10:33 AM
I can't believe the Independent is scare mongering to such a degree with sensationalist headlines. It is ezxtremely dangerous for people to abruptly stop taking SSRI medication and front pages such as this may prompt people to do just that.
If this research is to be believed why is it not published in a prestigious peer reviewed medical journal, instead of an online journal no-one has heard of. And the journalists further rubbish their own article by printing a list of treatments "which do work" - when some of those on the list have no evidence base - such as counselling and friends. Depression is a serious illness which people die from - it's ridiculous to say in a national newspaper that talking through your feelings with friends can help. There is no evidence base to say that counselling (which is a poorly defined term anyway) is of help in depression either.
Combinations of anti-depressants and CBT or IPT are the most effective treatments.
Posted by: Concerned cognitive therapist | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 10:53 AM
I believe this current obsession with CBT will end in the same sort of tears that the previous obsession with anti-depressants has.
I truly believe that counselling and talking therapies including CBT should be at the centre of any help for people with depression, perhaps alongside drug therapy for the most severe cases.
But when I see the cost of a month's supply of Prozac - £1.28, set against the cost of a month's counselling, it is a no-brainer as far as the bean counters are concerned.
CBT has become the latest fad as it is seen as effective and cheap. It has been more researched than some other talking therapies principally because it is easier to compare outcomes than for other forms of counselling.
The NHS and the government should not use the one size fits all approach to therapy. CBT requires real commitment from the client and involves homework. You have to have some real motivation.
Talking therapy should be funded properly but leave room for all types of counselling and psychotherapy, lets not put all our eggs in one basket again.
Posted by: Helen | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 11:29 AM
My experience with antidepressants has been the witnessing of the side effects my husband has suffered from taking Prozac and then citalopram. My first awareness of my husband being depressed was when I found the tablets by mistake and this immediately answered few questions about the apparent deterioration of his health; sweating, tiredness, weight gain, mood swings, personalty changes i.e. just not himself. There were many concerns I had; 1. why hadn't I picked up on the depression, surely if he was ill enough for antidepressant medication there should have been some obvious signs like not being able to get out of bed. 2. the readiness in which the doctors prescribed the medication 3. despite known side effects loved ones can still remain in the dark, which on the face of it does not help the patient. Friends and family need to be aware to help, even if they may have even contributed to the depression. As far as I could work out the pills only brought about more disharmony rather than harmony. When I asked my husband about the form in which his depression took his answer was that he was having dark thoughts and thought a lot about death, his death and others death. Not suicidle, but a common symptons of depression. Digging into his passed this was not a surprise,with his father dying when he was 9 years old and then moving from the family home almost immediatley to then be sent off to boarding school. Deep issues had never beeen dealt with and it was obvious to me that a talking therapy would have been much more appropriate. He decided that Prozac was not working for him and was then given citalopram. Within three weeks of taking it he collapsed and was rushed to hospital with a slow heart rate. They couldn't find anything wrong with him although I suspected the citalopram, we decided he would stop the citalopram. About four weeks later he admitted himself to hospital, his mood uncontrollable. He was agitated, verging on aggressive. It was Saturday morning three weeks after our second child had been born. We went to out patients and they admitted him, he was afraid he couldn't control his anger, he had got angry because he couldn't open a draw that had been over filled with phone books, my fault. After a week of thorough testing it was decided the problem was not physical but psychiatric. I went to collect him with our two and half hear old and our month old baby. I was concerned. I didn't recognize this man, my husband. High as a kite while now unbeknown to me dosed up with diazapam. We had a consultation with the hospital pyschiatric mediator, I burst into tears I was fearful of how we were to cope she handed me a card at the last minute the CRISIS team. Our saving grace. In conclusion my husband was voluntarily admitted to a psychiatric ward 24 hours later. He had suffered from what we now know to be a manic episode at forty two. If a person has a propensity to becoming manic, antidepressants can bring about this sate. When he was first admitted he was so high that even 30mg of diazapam couldn't keep him still. As a result of this he has been diagnosed as being bipola, however from the reading I have done you can only be truly diagnosed as being bipola if you have had a manic episode that has not been caused by medication. We have come a long way since then, that was 18 months ago, he is on a mood stabilizing drug called sodium valporate, which comes with its own set of nasty side effects which makes the process of recovery somewhat blurred around the edges, however he is hopefully going to be medication free within the next year. He has had successful CBT, takes 3,6,9 oils, multivitamin and mineral supplements and has a very healthy diet, with little or no alcohol and had now committed to regular exercise and walks to and from work every day. Its true what they say, every day we get better and better. What I would say to the medical profession is that prescription of antidepressants warrants a warning sign for the whole family, not just the patient. If it doesn't do what it says on the box it may certainly bring about side effects listed inside the box. To anyone in my position; question everything, every decision, every sympton and don't assume what the patient is experiencing is the illness itself it could be a side effect of the medication.
Posted by: Jane | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 11:59 AM
Jane what a brilliant thing you have done writing this honest and heartfelt account of your husband's crisis for everyone to learn from. I say the word crisis deliberately - not illness and not problem. Isn't it inevitable that on the long journey of life we will all have times when issues will come to a head and have to be dealt with? According to our childhoods, characters and coping mechanisms these will vary from individual to individual. Western medicine makes one grave mistake in medication - it treats each patient almost like a robotic machine with the naive belief that these pills will elevate every personal condition in the same way. Most of the time it worsens it. I am not against medication in the most severe cases but most of the time, open hearted family discussion between doctor and patient and family will be the first step to healing. Secrecy, lack of open discussion, the stigma of mental health issues and poor support networks make the modern dis-ease of over prescribing drugs for any mental crisis an absolute problem for modern society and a total cop out for true care and support. Doctors do fail the community too - if a doctor chooses to take a vocational career such as being a GP or a psychiatrist, then part of the job is nurturing and care; not the easy way of giving drugs to each and every one regardless of their background and individuality.
Posted by: lorrie | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 12:26 PM
It would be hard to quantify the benefits of SSRIs or CBT or anything as an universal aid for depression. No definitive answer to this and other mental health problems exists and don't believe those who say there is, eminent psychiatrist or layman. Or pharmaceutical companies who know what dangers may exist but will jealously guard the secret (ask Dr. D. Healy). If anyone has benefitted from drug therapy or talking therapy then this is to be welcomed, but it is very much an individual's case. My experience has made me conclude that taking SSRIs for me was of no benefit at all and were even worse, subjectively, than tricyclic anti-depressants. Plus, I found CBT and other talking therapies were on the whole pleasant but ineffectual. I don't wish to sound ungrateful but this is my reflection on it.
What can be observed is that quantifying the degrees of therapy success is a game fraught with difficulties. Note Orne's (1962) study re: the client pleasing the experimenter in a research study (i.e. the client will write down what the researcher wanted to see as a result because they feel they should please them). The human animal in reporting the success or failure of psychotherapeutic therapy they have received can provide unreliable evidence as there is no way to determine the veracity of their response.
Can I direct any interested (but sceptical)parties to read Dr. David Healy's book 'The Antidepressant era', any book on depression by Dr. Dorothy Rowe and also Jeffrey Masson's 'Against Therapy'. In some ways Ivan Illich's thoughts on medicine not being a science are even more relevant here as well.
Posted by: tb | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 01:50 PM
I have had experience of severe depression and been in hospital 3 times; sometimes I feel that those that comment and make suggestions understandably may not grasp the raw and dark pain of depression. Exercise is helpful, but I regret that when when one caught in the clench of a severe episode it may not be possible to move let alone exercise.
I think until there is absolute proof these medicines are ineffective it is folly to use such headlines to make money. These drugs are rightly or wrongly perecived by true sufferers, including myself, as things that may have saved and be saving our lives. If they are ineffective my life has another twist to cope with.
Talking therapies have benefit, but largely for those whom might be called educated or intelligent. On the NHS they are utterly useless. Waits for appointments and poor levels of resourcing and expertise make the experience forbiding and create a deeper sense of hopelessness.
I would urge those who have not experienced or seen the tangible pain of depression to be responsible and await final conclusions and not seek attention grabbing headlines knocking the drugs companies; all that is achieved is engendering fear in those who have most to fear
Nick
Posted by: Nick from West London | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 01:53 PM
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Posted by: Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 03:11 PM
No one likes to be on medication, but Anti-Depressants have helped me more than once out of a deep depressive episode caused by my Bipolar Illness.
However every Depression has a cause or a trigger. In my case, it's work related stress. So I had to explore the way I work, not taking on too much and trying to get a balance into my life. I believe that our life in the western worlds is spinning seriously out of control, life is getting faster, expectations are getting higher. A society that makes you believe you can have everything, be anyone and look like anybody. I believe that theses outside pressures, fuelled by the media and advertising may well be beyond our psychological capabilities as human beings. What happened to accepting life on life's terms? What happened to accepting ones own limitations and be ok with it? Depression may just be a mean of our sub conscience to let us know that we are going wrong somewhere and that adjustment is required, may this be change of lifestyle, change of thinking and attitudes, may it be getting out of the rat race. Instead we are hoping to find the magic pill that resolves everything and let's us continue as before, NOT POSSIBLE, in my experience.
Posted by: Sonja Frick | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 04:36 PM
Debate about treatments for depression can too easily be polarised and with 'mental ill-health' there needs to be a series of issues discussed and practices available to the patient. When I 'broke down' in 2000 my GP was my first port of call. Although he immediately proscribed seroxat he also did two very important things: ensured that I saw him every 2-3 days and sought to find me a psychiatrist with whom I could communicate. I remember him clearly saying 'I needed not just a psychiatrist capable of proscribing medication but also one who could engage me intellectually'. I was at that time a senior member of staff in a university and mental illness for me was a physical and a mental shock and I required challenging and supporting on a number of levels. I believe that had I not had both my GP and my psychiatrist's support then I would have been hospitalised.
With their support I was able to 'let go' and eventually take early retirement on health grounds from the university.
However I was also taking Seroxat and although this 'slowed me down', encouraged me to sleep and added recovery it was through another process that I took control of that recovery. This was starting to paint. I had been involved in art and art education at university level for many years, always on reflection 'giving out to others' rather than feeding my own creative abilities.
I started one night, probably about 3-4 months into my depression, with a large piece of white paper on the wall and some black paint and brushes. I recall vividly getting out of bed, naked in the early hours, not putting the light on b ut just filling the brush with paint and physically attacking the white paper. I continued until day-light showed I had made large, vibrant marks, semi-figurative, with hints of a face and eyes. I slept soundly. I continued in this vein to paint, starting during the early hours until day-light and produced approximately 68 paintings, large 3 x 4 feet across within a space of 4 months.
I recall talking to Roger, my GP about them and bringing some in to show him. I also took some to show my psychiatrist and it was a moment to savour because he completely ignored this huge rolled bundle until the last 5 minutes of our session. I had deliberately waited for him to mention them. Since he didn't I did and laid them out, brushing aside whatever he wanted to talk about. He then started to ask if I could 'talk him through them'. And this was the moment I realised recovery was possible, for I just snapped back at him 'no you just look and tell me what you see.!'
We remained friends and he asked me to talk to hospital staff responsible for mental patients a valuable experience in my recovery. I also produced a booklet illustrating some of the paintings together with some of the notes I made during the 2-3 years I was most badly affected by illness.
So if there is any advise I can offer to this debate, and I offer it with some reticence it is that 'medication should NEVER be viewed as the sole solution to mental illness' and that any practical activity that generates some self-esteem, or that allows distressing thoughts to be exposed 'outside the self' have to be positively and actively encouraged.
Should anyone wish to view either the paintings or the booklet please contact me.
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Posted by: steve blundell | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 04:40 PM
Exercise can help, but so can dancing and singing induce endorphins and keep body energies circulating and moving. Astrological counselling can also help to identify the roots and probable duration of the problem.
In one Chinese story a wealthy depressed patient consults a famous doctor. The doctor proceeds to insult him. The patient is angry and gets up to leave. The doctor asks for a high payment, and the patient objects that he has done nothing, but the doctor pronounces that he is cured, he is no longer depressed. Recognising the anger or powerlessness behind depression can help, just as exercise helps stagnation.
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Posted by: Catriona Mundle | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 04:42 PM
I was severely depressed two years ago following a major heart operation. My GP recommended counselling but this did not help in the slightest and my depressive state got worse. Eventually I ended up in my local A&E begging for help. I was referred to a consultant who diagnosed a chemical deficiency probably resulting from the effects of the anaesthetic and I was put on a course of Citalopram. The fact that I was receiving some practical help at last enabled me to pull out of the crisis and over the ensuing weeks I began to feel better and return to normal. I was able to reduce the dose and come off them altogether. In my view, Citalopram saved my life.
Posted by: Peter Harris | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 05:09 PM
I was forced out of the profession I loved after suffering a breakdown brought about by being overloaded with work due to governmental political interfence. My doctor prescribed anti depressants which knocked me out allowing me to sleep and let go. The next step was to regain myself. I vented my anger on those who deserved it via letters, went on long, long walks in the countryside and by the sea, sleptfor hours, gardened and watched mind numbing rubbish on tv until one day I experienced my eureka moment which came as I cried with joy as Nelson Mandela was filmed walking free and I knew if he could do it then my comparitively tiny problems could also be surmounted. I have since received group cognitive therapy to deal with the remnants which took the form of panic attacks. I have rebuilt my life having adventures which would not have been possible whilst still working. I still,however, feel bitter at being driven out of my job - no antidepressant tablet could ever take that away.
Posted by: Vida | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 05:13 PM
I suffered a nervous breakdown in the early 70's and was fortunate enough to find an excellent psychiatrist who put me on a trycyclic anti-depressant called Limbritol. The effects were dramatic (if not immediate) and after about 2 to 3 weeks I was back to normal. I had been severely depressed for over six months and a course of valium had been of no use whatsoever. After 3 months on the trycyclic drug, though, I was able to gradually reduce the dosage until I no longer needed it. I have not suffered from that degree of depression since but were I to, I know which drug I would look to. I can't say if it would work for everyone but its effect on me was remarkable.
Posted by: David Parry | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 05:32 PM
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Posted by: erica sosna | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 05:41 PM
I was prescribed Seroxat about seven years ago because I felt wretchedly ill and exhausted. It did nothing to help so they pushed me up to a very high dose. The side effects were abysmal - vile headaches, nausea, severe stomach and intestinal pains, I suddenly couldn’t digest anything, and in the end my mind was destroyed. The effects became more pronounced as the dose got higher. I couldn’t do anything without great confused effort as though I couldn’t remember how to do anything – like making a cup of tea or walk. I got confused as to where I was, I forgot everything I knew. I felt like I’d had a lobotomy. Many times I was rescued from just wandering into the path of a car accidentally – I was no longer “here”, I didn’t feel alive, I didn’t feel real.
When I stopped, I had a kind of ‘convulsion’ or ‘seizure’ every three minutes, all the time for months. They were like electrical flash-storms in my brain. I also had a constant acute burning pain in my frontal lobe – just like it was burning and melting. I had vivid and terrifying hallucinations at night and was seriously dazed and confused all day – I often would suddenly be unable to recognise or remember what town I was in, where I was going or why. My mind just didn’t recover! Seven years on, I am still housebound and unable to work. I can’t even do things I love. I can still hardly digest anything. Processing and retaining information is incredibly difficult although I’m improving a bit, finally. My frontal lobe still feels ‘scorched’.
I’ve lost everything – my partner, my home, my career. I now know that my initial symptoms were due to a form of heart failure that induced chronic exhaustion for which the prognosis would have been good if I’d got proper advice. I said at the time I was not depressed! My ex-partner was also prescribed Seroxat for mild Obsessive Compulsive disorder and stress induced Irritable Bowel Syndrome and experienced severe psychosis of a most horrendous kind - he was in a daily state of absolute terror due to his mind being ‘possessed’ by persistent thoughts that he couldn’t control - of murder sprees in the city and of murdering and mutilating me. He was such a gentle soul really, and was again not long after finishing the drug, but his personality changed permanently. He ended up seeing a psychiatrist who believed the Seroxat was the cause. He stopped and got better very quickly.
My experience is that Seroxat is a very dangerous mind-altering drug with severe and potentially long-term effects on the nervous system. In my recent research into Seroxat use, I find the same stories over and over again. I have tried to warn the doctors but they won’t listen – they have a blind faith in the drug.
There has been some brilliant independent analysis raising major concerns – and all in the public domain yet nothing is done! Some American doctors are studying the correlation between Seroxat use and the many school shootings over there. It’s disturbingly high. Many people report Seroxat induced psychosis. The problem is that we are a vulnerable group of people – once you’re diagnosed with depression, what are clear, undeniable side-effects to the patient are seen as proof of mental instability! Even if it was a misdiagnosis!
Posted by: Lynsey Foster | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 05:59 PM
I have had chronic atypical depression for 16 years. I've taken Seroxat, Prozac, Effexor, Cipramil, Lofepramine, and several other antidepressant drugs. In my experience, they have a slightly up-lifting effect on mood after 2-3 weeks, which is shortlived. Effexor side effects made me very ill at one point.
Well done indeed to the study for confirming that medical evidence from trials which is unhelpful to big pharma is buried. I'm sure these drugs are useful for the very severely depressed, but unconvinced they are effectual for the vast majority of the clincially depressed.
Exercise is very useful; depressed people might also want to consider neutraceutical treatments such as omega 3 oils, Sam-E etc. Unfortunately the companies who make these products do not have sufficient resources to fund clinical trials, so it is difficult to find definitive evidence to suggest they are helpful in depression treatment.
Posted by: Kit | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 06:14 PM
I am just getting over a severe depressive illness/anxiety disorder and must say that after being on 'Sertraline' for just over 3 weeks now i am beginning at last to feel much better. The SSRI medications will not cure the root causes of the depression/anxiety and that is why i am also about to undertake a course of CBT[cognitive behavioural therapy]. I did suffer some very nasty side effects in the first two weeks[agitation, bad nausea, insomnia etc], but people must realise these drugs take 3-4 weeks to really get into your system and start to work. I think splashing these negative headlines all over yours and other front pages today is a dangerous thing, and could lead to people stopping their medication and becoming suicidal. All i can say that sertraline is starting to really help me and along with the talk therapies i know i will get better!
Posted by: RICHARD ROWLAND | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 06:29 PM
Well, Seroxat worked a treat for me, but everyone is different. However, my GP told me it's purpose was to treat anxiety - it helped greatly with my debilitating panic attacks - and alleviation of depression was a secondary gain, so not really an "antidepressant". My impression of it was that it was a powerful drug with side effects that should be treated with respect, but which was effective. I was lucky enough to receive CBT treatment at the same time. The drugs acted like a plaster cast on a broken leg, giving me time to heal until I was in a fit state to sort out my life. Frankly, any "depression" which can be cured by a bit of jogging and a chat with friends is not clinical depression, and it's disappointing to see The Independent trivialise mental illness in this way.
It's interesting that this is announced with such fanfare when the Government is now pushing CBT. Having realised that this is going to be costly, discovering that SSRIs "don't work" will be a great way of cutting back the NHS's drugs bill to compensate. I was under the impression that research had shown that the most effective, long-term treatment was a combination of drugs/talking therapy. Didn't The Independent ask any of the mental health charities for a comment?
Posted by: Kitty | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 06:36 PM
With the collusion of the corrupt British media, claptrap in the shape of a pill, is marketed as 'wonder drugs'.
Most effective treatment to health problems are via physical surgerie (hacking, stabbing and poking away at people's inner bits) or natural products like penecillian or just taking it easy and mending and looking after oneself- just as its always been.
Posted by: Tshwane | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 07:29 PM
In my view the effectiveness of anti-depressants needs much more comprehensive study than a limited clinical trial. How about a national survey, through GPs, of those who have been treated for depression over long periods of time? Mental health is an extremely complicated field of medicine. As has already been commented, and my own experience would suggest, anyone who can be talked/ exercised out of depression is not clinically depressed. I am a Christian who believes in healing, have resisted medication and have had prayer/counselling/CBT and take regular exercise. However, throughout my adult life I have been medically treated for bipolar disorder. In times of extremely acute and deep depression, Efexor has been a helpful anti-depressant and to the best of my experience and understanding, has helped correct a chemical imbalance and lifted the depression. I would be interested to learn of the experiences of other users of this anti-depressant.
Posted by: jean | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 09:46 PM
I find your headline 'Antidepressant drugs don't work' misleading and irresponsible. I have suffered from depression, which stemmed from a serious illness, since 2004. Having initially resisted anti-depressants (fluoxetine) - in part for their stigma, in part because I did not like the idea of chemically altering my mood - the effect was almost immediate and I wish I hadn't held out for so long. After a waiting list of a year, I was fortunate to have the most wonderful counsellor who also taught me CBT. I welcome Alan Johnson's move to provide more therapists, but there is most definitely a place for anti-depressants.
Posted by: LL | Tuesday, 26 February 2008 at 11:13 PM
I'm not going to attack the headline - it's seduced enough people into reading the article and that's a great feat: many people do not want to discuss mental illness, even though we are well into the twenty first century it is still a subject which can ignite the majority of people to 'close down' their responses, as though simply thinking about the symptoms and affects may rouse some deeply buried illness to scurry quickly and hungrily in an attempt to invade any well-perfected presentation of normality.
Education about mental illness, causes, symptoms, treatments, support is very scarce - so what if a few people are scare-mongered by this article? If they have anxieties about whether the anti-depressant is working then it probably isn't, and this article may prompt into visiting the doctor again and again to find the treatment which most suits their needs. Which, in turn, will eventually lead to more research and progression into finding out more about the scientific foundations of depression.
The thing is, and you can take this from someone who know - having experienced an abusive childhood, social phobia, bulimia nervosa, generalised anxiety disorder and bipolar affective disorder - It is all about individuality: different treatments work for different people according to their psychological background, their lifestyle, their innate coping meachanisms, their biochemistry and so on. Drug treatment alone cannot be successful for some people. But it might be in others, either by encouraging an accurate level of serotonin to exist in the brain or through the stimulation of a placebo effect which allows a person to build up enough strength to tackle talking treatments. Either way, they should not be ruled out.
No amount of clinical trials will account for the fact that western society is not open and honest enough for the possibilities of all treatments to be researched honestly and exhaustively.
Posted by: Claire | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 01:35 AM
I'd just like to point out that the research on antidepressants under discussion is freely available for anyone to read.
You can read the full study in the open access journal PLoS Medicine: http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045
For those of you who don't have time to read the whole thing, a useful editors' summary is here:
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045#toclink1
Posted by: Andrew Hyde | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 06:28 AM
The PLoS Medicine homepage is www.plosmedicine.org and you read the study for yourself there.
Posted by: Andrew Hyde | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 06:30 AM
I was prescribed Prozac when it was very new in the UK - it made my depression worse and I attempted suicide. I was prescribed Seroxat a few years ago and it's made an incredible difference to my life. I now feel 'normal' after 30 years of moderate to severe depression. Surely the brain is such a complex organ and depression is caused by so many things that drugs which work for some people won't work for others.
Posted by: Fuchsia | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 08:30 AM
SSRIs do work.
From my mid 20's to mid 30's I suffered terrible panic attacks stopping me from exposing myself to many social situations . I did not seek medical help during this period.
Finding the panic attacke occuring more frequently and the fear of having them increasing I withdrew from more and more social situations that I feared.
In my mid 30's I consulted my doctor and initialy was prescribed Prozac ( this did not suit me ) later Seroxat ( was on this for several years and felt so much better). I have now been prescribed Paroxetine for many years and feel this suits me , panic attacks hardly ever happen now and I expose myself far more to social situations that I used to have problems with .
I tried to reduce slowly taking SSRI's but always felt panic increasing and returning again .
With regard to exercise etc I exercise regularly , about 5 times a week so I do not believe that exercise for me would help without Paroxetine.
I can only say that for me a placebo would not work , my medication helps me.
Posted by: Alan Rees | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 08:57 AM
The utter irresponsibility of the banner headlines all the papers including to your discredit your own, seem to be displaying in this matter makes me angry, especially when we have people battening on the desperate with everything from homoeopathy to singing and dancing.
the report for those who actually are interested states what has been known for years SSRIs are not for minor depression they are for major depression. I have major or clinical depression. to the lady who advocates singing and dancing I am a singer I also exercise and do talking therapy however, I could not function were it not for the SSRI I take. it is the third I have been prescribed. This one works.
Posted by: dermot | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 09:09 AM
Yet another massive corporate rip-off to add to Banking's sub-prime mortgage scams & dodgy off balance sheet lending, big Oil's profiteering on high oil prices & corporate supermarkets using off-shore tax havens. As humans face the biggest crisis in their short history - climate change - such greed and the complicity of most media and politicians (also corporate owned?) is truly disgusting.
It's high time our institutions actually reflected the pious claims of our species to some higher moral purpose.
If James Hansen is correct in suggesting 5 metres of sea level rise this century, following the last few years of hugely accelerating polar ice melt, 'judgement' day approaches.
We either learn to share on this planet or perish in billions, taking most other life down with us. Now is the time to act.
Posted by: Mike Hall | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 09:17 AM
When diagnosed with clinical depression (Major Depressive Disorder), I was prescribed Prozac. It made me feel ten times worse. But since going on to Citalopram, my mood has definitely lightened. I stopped taking them for a few weeks and the suicidal feelings returned. But once on them again, I don't get those anymore.
I think it might be more about misdiagnosis than drug ineffectuality. If your depression is due to chemical problems in the brain (i.e. the lack of serotnin, serious lack) then anti-depressants would help, if not, then you need to talk to your GP about talking therapy or even CBT, as long as your PCT will pay for it that is.
Remember, chemical therapy treats chemical problems, not lifestyle problems.
Posted by: Jennifer Hynes | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 09:41 AM
SSRI medications are NOT ANTI-DEPRESSANTS; THEY ARE ANXIOLYTICS and they were designed to be used in the treatment of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder, a primary symptom of which is ANXIETY.
The 'anti-depressant effect' of SSRIs was a complete surprise to the developers of the first SSRI on the market: Prozac. SSRIs do not add something to your system; they block the pre-mature re-absorption of Serotonin, the essential chemical in balancing the body's ability to deal with stress of all kinds.
Rollo May called the present time "The Age of Anxiety". He was referring to the general atmosphere of 'threat' that pervades the modern world. 'Threats' from fellow humans, from disease, from the environment, from political blunders that put us at risk, from unstable economic situations, from terrorism in all of its forms. The list goes on. The result is heightened anxiety that makes us tense, cross, unable to enjoy just being alive because everywhere we turn there seems to be a threat.
SSRIs mediate the body's reaction to those stresses by reducing the general level of anxiety that we carry around with us. SSRIs give us back the balance that our bodies were designed to maintain so that when we are faced with a 'fight or flight' threat we react without over-reacting.
SSRIs have been a lifeline for sufferers of obsessive/compulsive disorder and for many sufferers of depressive illness. Think about it: if you are less anxious, you are more in control, better able to concentrate, think more clearly. If you are functioning without the burden of excessive anxiety, you will be able to think in terms of possible solutions instead of hand-ringing indecision or endless second-guessing.
SSRIs are not a magic bullet or a happy pill. People on SSRI therapy still feel all the 'slings and arrows' of daily life. But they are not overwhelmed by them. That is the contribution that SSRIs have made for millions of the chronically anxious and depressed. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water. SSRIs combined with an appropriate form of psycho-therapy which gives the patient a different perspective on his/her life and a set of psychological tools to deal with life more effectively seems a sensible approach to dealing with "The Age of Anxiety."
Posted by: Voice of experience | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 10:04 AM
My wife was prescribed Venlafaxine (Efexor) after the death of her mother in 2003. She was left on these for a period of 10 months with no monitoring of the side effects on her overall mental health and well being. She felt suicidal (a common side effect) on a number of occasions and suffered delusions. But the most dangerous time was when she was trying to stop them, with dreadful withdrawal effects - mania, jumbled thinking and extreme vulnerability. As a result of all these she she was admitted to a mental health in-patient unit, where she stayed for over 5 months. The really sad fact is that we both felt then and since that she hadn't needed to be prescribed antidepressants at all, when bereavement counselling would have been far more effective. I reported the unwanted side effects and dreadful withdrawal symptoms of Efexor (Venlafaxine) to the MHRA using the yellow card system available at the Doctors surgery. More people should bother to do this, and then perhaps these dangerous drugs would be used with more caution, or banned altogether. Look up Venlafaxine on the web and see for yourself the comments from addicted users who cannot get off this antidepressant. I feel (and have evidence) that Venlafaxine is worse than Seroxat or Prozac for making people feel suicidal, so why is it still being prescribed? Comments from some people in the know confirm that some Drug companies are still incentivising Consultants and GPs to prescribe new drugs without disclosing the awful side effects which many readers have spoken about. It is good that the Independent has exposed the dangers - keep up the good work.
Posted by: Bob B of Fareham | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 11:50 AM
Prozac worked for me. I had been depressed for about 10 months when I started taking it and was having counselling. I was also taking a lot of exercise. I know that the results were not merely due to a placebo effect. I am very susceptible to placebos and experienced an immediate improvement in my condition within a day of starting the course. Then, about 10 days later, the genuine effect of the drug started. I felt more confident than I had ever felt before and was able to enjoy my life again. I don't consider that I was one of the more severely depressed people, I was still able to go to work. I took it for about a year. When I stopped my confidence dropped a little but other than that I considered myself cured.
Posted by: Joanne | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 01:20 PM
Amazing. Drug companies can't deliver decent anti-depressants [not for lack of trying] yet marijuana which dispels depression is illegal. Talk about priorities. I know, I'm a HADD depressive and now take dexamphetamines which has cured me off the weed. As a social worker said: `the difference between legal and illegal drugs is one letter: `i' for illegal. But politicians won't bite the bullet. So depression stays. It's a mess of their own making. In the 19th Century when all drugs were legal there was no drug problem and depression was not as prevalent. Historical truth but the fictions that are dispensed are worse than the obvious cure, such as laudanum. I rest my case.
Posted by: Lutz Barz | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 02:02 PM
I had to laugh when I saw the Independent headlines on Tuesday - "Antidepressants don't work". I could have told you that! I have been on Citalopram for over 12 months now, for depression that I can trace back at least 15 years to my childhood. Every time I have gone back to my GP and told him it is not working, my medication has been increased. I went onto pills because I did not want to leave my job but was feeling unable to continue to attend work. 12 months on I am now on a moderate dose that is not working, i.e. my cause of depression is still there and will still be there when I come off medication. My GP cannot refer direct to a psychiatrist and I am now awaiting an appointment for formal mental health services. I simply have not found a natural way to deal with depression as in my childhood and teens I did not talk about anything but buried it all inside. I have recently come to the conclusion that I need formal screening and diagnosis of mental health needs and mix of talking therapies and life-style changes. Thank you Independent for raising this issue, I can now go back to my GP and raise this with him, this is the 3rd time I have been treated with anti-depressants and I can conclusively draw that for me, they are not working. My counsellor told me my depression is anger that has not been expressed and I certainly see what he means. I have been anxious recently that I am in danger of becoming dependent on antidepressants. I am sure SSRI's can and do work for some people. However I accept my own issues are due to my personal experiences in life and my self-images and therefore I wish I had been referred for alternative therapies 10 years ago when I was first prescribed anti-depressants. Perhaps we are far too dependent in our society on quick fixes? Therapy/lifestyle changes may seem more difficult and take longer but hopefully the effects will be a lifelong improvement in the management of my depression.
Incidentially taking Champix had a serious negative effect on my mental health and I would advise against taking this for any smokers who want to give up who have depression or other psychiatric disorders.
Posted by: Jules | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 03:20 PM
Seroxat can be helpful for some people, but the manufacturer has not come clean about the severity of side-effects that a significant proportion of people have suffered, and continue to suffer after stopping it.
It can be an utter nightmare, far worse than whatever the patient was suffering and very painful. This cannot be emphasised enough, it can be very painful to get off it.
After a prescription to take it for one month it may take another six months to recover.
Just because it does help some does not negate the potential disastrous harm it will do to those with a susceptible metabolism.
Posted by: Andy | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 03:59 PM
I am both an episodic sufferer of depression and a Mental Health Nurse now living abroad and therefore not practising. Several Points:
1) Who prescibes medication ? Answer GPs and psychiatrists. Whilst greater transparancy is to be applauded it will not make one iota of difference to the prescribing (often inappropriate) of anti-.depressants, bezodiazepams, anxiolytics and other medication. THEY DON´'T HAVE THE TIME TO READ RESEARCH THOROUGHLY AND ARE DEPENDENT ON DRUG REPS / MEDICAL PRESS.
2) My experience of the prescribing of psychotropic medication is that it is often inaccurate.... wrong drug for the wrong diagnosis, inadequately monitored, and is rarely prescribed holistically, i.e. as one element of a treatment approach which encompases physical, cognitive, behavioural, medication and emotional work. TABLETS ONLY ARE VERY RARELY, IF EVER, THE COMPLETE ANSWER. The patient needs to be put at the centre of his/ her treatment plan and encouraged, with the appropriate support to take responsibility their own progress. This is not easy and requires a lot of input. CBT is great but once again, is not a cure-all for all types of depression.
3) often, what are social, emotional and personality issues are misdiagnosed as "depression". SEVERE DEPRESSION IS WHEN YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF BED. Traumas can be triggers but they are not the illness.
4) People can be taught coping skills and how to watch for the signs of an encroaching depressive episode and therefore reduce the chances that a prescription of inappropraite medication will need to be forthcoming.
5) THE ANSWER IS EDUCATION; OF THE MEDICAL PROFFESSION,THE PUBLIC STARTING WITH PRE-PUBERTY ... IF DRUG AWARENESS IS CONSIDERED ESSENTIAL WHY NOT DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY WHICH ARE TODAYS EPEDEMICS.
6) More Mental Health Nurses working inthe community would be a better way of spending money then more CB Therapists... they are highly trained specialists MHNs are the coal-face workers... Depression and anxiety are their bread and butter.
Posted by: sara bulmer | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 04:36 PM
Have any of those who rely on their mainstream Docs with their standard hard drugs, ever thought that there may well be alternatives? There are, and these are milder, not habit-forming nor have negative side effects. There is kava kava, valerium root, the amino acid phenylalinine just to name a few. Alternatives have active chemicals with pharmacological effects, that raise nor-adrenaline, the happy hormone levels, (and affect mood through other pathhways). Vigorous exercise, exceeding 20 minutes also does this. A little google-ing on alternatives, before hitting the hard toxic stuff, will open many windows for the depressed. Of course, expect mainstream to advise against that path with their ..false hope baloney. Take your health into your own hands and out of greedy big pharmas...
Posted by: ThomasT | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 08:37 PM
I wonder how the many people who take the three drugs highlighted felt when they read that headline ?
My son is one of these patients and his fragile state was made much worse. He has tried to come off drugs, under medical supervision, he uses CBT, with some sucess, and excercises regularly (cycling and boxing training)
He does not need the irresposible, lazy and headline grabbing approach from the Independent (not worthy of you guys and well below usual standards)
There are many serious issues worth debating but they have been clouded by poor reporting.
Posted by: James Hamilton | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 08:59 PM
Depression is a complicated condition, a condition that cannot just be solved with antidepressants. So it is with great relief to see the article Initial Severity and Antidepressant Benefits questioning the effectiveness of antidepressants. Antidepressants have become widespread for a number of reasons, which may include 1. over prescribing, 2. cost, antidepressants are cheap compared to talking treatments, 3. the role of drug companies and 4. the individual. My intention is not to explore these reasons but the cumulative effect of them as popularity doesn’t necessarily mean success especially over the long term and especially when antidepressants do not respond to the triggers, but to the symptoms of depression. One widely cited symptom is chemical imbalance, yet the proof for this is open to debate. Therefore it is not a surprise to hear of the numerous side effects antidepressants cause in attempting to address this balance, side effects which include suicide and self harm. It is frightening though not surprising that these side effects appear to be brushed under the table by drug companies and in some cases doctors.
My thoughts on depression and why it occurs is that an event or an accumulation of events occur to which the body (genes) respond to with the response we have named depression. Depression exists because natural selection favoured species with genes that had depression as a response. If a person is not functioning and therefore at risk it is logical for the body to respond in such a way as to shut down and cause the person to slow down and/or stop for a period of time. During this time the person can ‘recover’ mentally and physically. However depression did not evolve in the present climate, but a long time ago along with a lot of the other responses humans display. I also want to stress that I don’t believe that depression is genetic in terms of it runs in the family say like the colour of hair. Although it is plausible that some people could be more susceptible to the depression response in terms of the strength of the trigger that is needed to cause the body to respond with the depression response, though depression occurs via a complex mix of behaviour and genes (amongst other factors) and so a lower threshold doesn’t necessarily mean a higher susceptibility to depression.
How we interact with other people has a profound effect on us and can cause many responses for example love, with depression being another. Other people’s behaviour and how we in turn interpret it and respond to it can be a major reason behind why we get depressed. Antidepressants cannot change the core behaviours we have learnt and live by. For those that claim that antidepressants work all I can think of is that they help the person respond to what is causing the depression and change or that they mask what is happening and allow them to gain functionality again and to find other ways of masking depressive behaviour and so allow themselves to perceive themselves as not depressed.
Antidepressants don’t work for a lot of people this is shown by numerous side effects. The person is left confused as the body (genes) want to shut down and take time, while antidepressants causes a different effect in that they are trying to make the person feel they are ready to function before they are ready. When side effects are felt the depression can become more severe though the processing of thoughts including: nothing works, you are useless for not functioning, not responding to these ‘magic’ pills. If people are told depression is a chemical imbalance and then antidepressants don’t ‘fix it’ then they are left feeling lied to and further lost to why they are feeling depressed. It is not surprising therefore that the severity of the depression could increase.
Talking treatments on the other hand can look at what causes the trigger(s) into a depressive state and also look at improving the symptoms of depression, for example, low mood. Talking treatments can help the client look at behaviours and how they respond to them and how this makes them feel, this increasing awareness can help them feel less depressed. Talking treatments may explore what happened in the past but also looks at the present and it is important to make changes now in order to come out of depression. At some point responsibility has to be taken for this response to he triggers despite what happened in the past, obviously what happened in the past has a bearing on this. To take responsibility is very had and can take a long time, but is very important if not essential. As with responsibility comes the ability to control your own life and how you respond to situations. Talking treatments are not a quick fix; they are a long journey which the client must undertake.
Overall when a person first feels depressed they are often not presented with all the facts about depression and the range of treatments available, therefore it is not surprising that uninformed decisions are made. However the popularity of antidepressants I also partly down to the individual and how society functions. To generalise society is fast and want quick fixes, it doesn’t want you to be off work, it doesn’t necessarily want you to change and so it is not surprising that antidepressants are often the first and sometimes the last line in treating depression (let alone the economic reasons). Talking treatments can be seen as going against the demands of the society we live in. It is good that this article has been published and hopefully it will stimulate debate and cause people to ask for more information when they feel depressed and explore its nature and the many ways out of it. Mental wellbeing is often kept private and secret; this is not healthy and will certainly not help a depressed person to recover but does point to why that person may reach for pills instead.
Posted by: Andy Harrod | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 09:59 PM
The drugs don’t work, they just mask the symptoms, there will always be an underlying physical problem that can be found and treated. It’s just a quick fix based on misinformation churned out by a profit driven pharmaceutical industry. One quick test of this take the profits away and the prescriptions would drop like a stone.
Posted by: Ken Warren | Wednesday, 27 February 2008 at 10:12 PM
I had fibromyalgia/severe depression back in the early 90's; all I can say is, several ADs were tried, the one that worked was Prosac, it truly changed my life. My pain diminished, I was able to sleep, I was in better spirits.
Eventually after 7 years of continual use, about 30mg every other day (started out at 60mg) I weaned myself off and am ok without them; but I can say back then, I was near suicidial with pain/depression/hopelessness. Prosac DID work, so I'm not convinced they are a placebo, not at all. Not saying they are right for everyone, but for some people, they save lives, for others it appears to be the opposite.
My sugggestion is to find a good well-informed, experienced psychiatrist, NOT a psychologist or family Dr. to prescribe these types of medicines and make sure they do a thorough intake on your life history, genetics, etc. this makes a BIG difference in what is prescribed.
Posted by: Silverstone | Thursday, 28 February 2008 at 07:49 AM
I started with severe depression in 1990, at the tender age of seventeen. I first sought treatment 3 years later, and was put on the first of many antidepressants. Prozac didn't work; as I said at the time, I may as well have been eating Smarties. Efexor didn't work either, and Seroxat gave me panic attacks. Every time I complained that a pill wasn't working, my dose was increased. After many years, I finally found one that did work: Mirtazapine. I was finally able to stop self-harming, and hold down a job. I was still struggling to cope, however, so I was put on a waiting list for therapy. I had to wait a year, and counselling lasted another year, but it made a huge difference. Talking to an intelligent person who understands the mind and helps you challenge all your negative thinking patterns - this kind of 'talking cure' cannot be provided by friends and family, and they should not have to shoulder the burden. I now feel better equipped to deal with whatever life can throw at me, and am very good at leading the semblance of a normal life. I can understand why drugs are so popular - they're cheap, and they're fast. If you have to wait a year to get therapy, how are you going to cope in the meantime? I do feel, however, that doctors should refrain from upping your dose if you're really unhappy with a pill, and try another one instead, even if it's more expensive. They have a duty of care which should be uppermost in their minds when prescribing, despite budgetary concerns.
Posted by: Deborah Emmett | Thursday, 28 February 2008 at 12:44 PM
It's good to have a public discussion about this.
The pharmaceutical companies have been profiting from the market in antidepressants for years. Doctors collude in this quite often.
We live in the kind of society which medicalises loneliness and isolation and finds it hard to tolerate sadness. We are afraid to look for the real reasons for the drug taking.
People come to believe that a pill can fix all their problems. Sadness and trauma seem to be inevitable life experiences, as are happiness and joy, and they all help us discover our own iiner power.
Posted by: Catherine Grey | Thursday, 28 February 2008 at 06:49 PM
Some of these tablets may work but it seems they have side effects. These side effects are played down by the drug companies.
It is not only this group of drugs where there are problems, but most drugs, statins, larium, vioxx, to name but a few.
It would seem obvious that drugs ought to be tested completely independently by a body with no links to the industry nor government.
In fact wouldn't it b better if the government developed and tested drugs rather than have an industry to do it? Industry needs to make profits. It will always downplay any side effects.
In the mean time it needs to be forced to release all data, both published and unpublished.
Posted by: Sue Wright | Friday, 29 February 2008 at 01:15 AM
I am a homeopath. A client of mine heard about the recent SSRI report and sent me this description of her depression and the relief she got from Homeopathy.
Whatever you may have read to the contrary, Homeopathy is a wonderfully effective therapy. If you are suffering give it a try. The healthiest mind is an open one…
"Having suffered from depression for most of my life, I had read all I could about the subject and had been to various therapists to try and remedy what seemed to be "just the way I was". It would have been easier to have a complaint like a broken arm since from the outside everything looked normal.In fact I can be regarded as a having a life that a lot of people only dream of...a great husband, two gorgeous children, no health problems, I had everything I could possibly want but still I couldn't shake the emotional cloud that engulfed me for days, sometimes weeks, on end. Only someone who has truly suffered from depression understands how isolating it is. No amount of rationalising helps, whether by others or yourself and so the guilt sets in, creating a cycle. And then as quickly as it sets in, it can lift for no apparent reason. I felt like it was always a time-bomb then, waiting for the next cloud to come.
I never took anti-depressants even though they were prescribed for me twice by GP's. In my desperation, I went as far as to buy the one lot and left them at the back of my cupboard while I tried to decide whether the good effects would outweigh the side-effects.I was quite concerned about having to wean myself off them one day and then what would happen? Would I be in a worse situation? That would be intolerable.
Having recovered from post natal depression after my first child, I was plunged into almost a permanent depression after having my second child, and after about two and a half years, my depression became more severe. I felt as though I was underwater or in a bubble, my body was incredibly heavy, my energy was the lowest it had ever been and my short term memory was non-existent. I could hardly get through the day and I was terrified that I would further deteriorate and would have to take to my bed and even worse, admit it!! I stopped alchohol completely, restricted sugar in my diet, took more excercise and led a really clean life.
I had heard about Mary Aspinwal ( a homeopath registered in Ireland) from family members who had seen her for various ailments and took my daughter to see her for a chest complaint. I decided to ask her advice and after a consultation, she chose the most suitable homeopathic medicine for me. Of course, I expected to at least feel a bit better and what happened next was most unexpected...it seemed like a slippery slope down even further. I rang Mary after a further 8 weeks of deep depression and she advised me to hold on for as long as I could, although she would give me an antidote if I preferred. I decided to hold on and within the next two weeks the cloud lifted, my energy started returning and I could function as normal. To this day, which is now more than five years later, I have been entirely well. It is almost beyond belief that I have not had a bout of depression once in the last 5 years. Along with that, my chronic sinus, which I have suffered from since I was 10, has disappeared - a rather pleasant side-effect!! It is amazing how bleak things were for me for years, and how one little tablet could change my life to this extent."
Hope this is of help to people who are suffering - my sincere gratitude to Homeopathy.”
Posted by: homeopathyworks | Friday, 29 February 2008 at 08:09 AM
If I had the money I'd try to go to someone like these people: http://www.wholisticmedical.co.uk/clinic/tests.html
kinesiologists can actually the measure the level of each neurotransmitter in the body. I'm convinced that, in cases where the drugs don't work, there's probably a physical problem that conventional medicine is ill-equipped to pick up.
Where is the sense of giving someone a one SSRI and then the next for 20 years, if they actually have a deficiency of, say, dopamine or vitamin B6?
Madness.
Posted by: Kit | Friday, 29 February 2008 at 06:29 PM