Today The Independent reports on the misery of the global trade in animals. Is this trade in meat unacceptably cruel? Should animals bred for food be killed before they are transported thousands of miles across the globe? Or does keeping them alive improve the quality of the meat? Let us know what you think.

all the animals are just regarded as stock and the people dealing in this trade have been so desensitized they cannot conceptualize the suffering that these poor animals have to go thru.
Posted by: mike morgan | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:55 AM
Not that one can ignore the suffering, but put that aside for a moment and ask where is the sense in this? The losses must cost money. Even with the appalling cramped conditions a lot more meat could be carried in the same space. The ships sound as if they should not be on the seas, what is their carbon footprint I wonder? All this and lots more.
This is not the only trade but look at the destination of much of it, and what happens when these poor creatures arrive in the middle east? We could stop this if we could find the courage, or is this something else we must regard as "inevitable" in order not to upset the sensitivities of a bunch of medieval perverts?
Posted by: D. L Stephens | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:50 AM
As it is not mentioned in the article, please take a minute of your time to sign the petition available on: http://www.handlewithcare.tv/uk/ to stop this horrendous abuse.
Posted by: Rachel Wilton | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:53 AM
Consumers around the world need to wake up and take responsibility for their part played in the hideous animal cruelty that takes place in every aspect of industrialized animal production, transport and brutal slaughter. Greedy consumers and profit driven companies have betrayed the creatures of our world, as well as government who funds and supports this Legalized Animal Cruelty. What a shame and blight on human beings - Animals deserve to live a life free from terror, pain and exploitation at human hands. Thanks for bringing this article and its disturbing facts to the attention of the public.
Posted by: Zonah | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 04:45 AM
A very disturbing article and video. It distresses me to know that animals are being treated this way. No wonder I became a vegetarian a few years ago.
Posted by: Derek Horne | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 06:14 AM
I am utterly disgusted by the idea that we could treat animals this way especially when we are already sending them away to be slaughtered. At least have the decency and allow them the pleasure of living comfortably before being slaughtered.
Posted by: Lily | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 06:32 AM
Although the problem is a global one, can we not start in the UK by realising that the costs of regulation have made it impossible for may local slaughterhouses to survive. Treating these business simply and solely as private sector operations in a competitive market and not to realise that they are providing an important service with respect to improving animal welfare just shows how narrow-minded current political ideology is. These costs have increased the economies of scale required to survive with the result that only larger, non-local operations survive. The real cost is being paid for by the animals.
Posted by: Stuart Meikle | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 07:11 AM
As usual we will get the usual religious clap-trap for all this. Islam the religion of the Middle-Ages. They even kill their children and call it honour. You can never reason with a drunk or a moslem.
Posted by: Frederick | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 07:12 AM
This is quite shocking. Animals are sensate living creatures capable of experiencing a range of emotions such as fear and happiness.They are not animate cabgages or turnips.This is animal Auschwitz on a vast scale.The perpetrators must be brought to justice.
Posted by: Alan Clayton | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 08:06 AM
I have been aware of this state of affairs for quite some time, and have managed to do something about it without becoming vegetarian. (I live in France in the Grenoble area.) I buy all my meat on the local market from local producers who are operating their own cooperative slaughterhouse, the only one of its kind in France. The meat travels no more than 50kms to get to me, and the animals are killed in the area they were raised in, with minimum transport, if any.
The issue of hallal and kosher meat seems rather simple to me : find the way to inform the local populations that the meat they are being is not being slaughtered according to tradition. They will not buy it then, as they are devoted to their religious principles, unlike us, who only look at our coin purses, right ?
Posted by: Debra Mervant | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 08:10 AM
If the EU can so stringently enforce a myriad of pointless regulations for us to have to daily abide by with relative success, then why does their political will not succeed in successfully enforcing a relatively small package of conditions to improve the lot of these intelligent and placid creatures?
To begin with, consumers should always be able to easily ascertain the source of their food whether it is meat or otherwise and the status of that food, be it organic, GM, intensively reared etc.
I believe the trend for consumers tends towards increasing interest and awareness in the origins and make up of the foods we purchase and consume. Unfortunately and unethically, the EU appears to hold a rather different viewpoint on this.
In the meantime we can only hope that exposes, such as witnessed in this film, reach as many consumers as is possible, to help promote a grassroots response to the barbaric treatment these animals receive.
Posted by: MJ | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 08:29 AM
This is so very sad. And this is precisely why I became vegan 20 years ago, which is the best and most positive way to help these poor creatures, besides being extremely healthy. We need to wake up to what we are allowing to happen as a society to these poor innocent sentient beasts. They have feelings just like us. We must not allow this to happen and we must take personal responsiblity by altering our buying and eating habits.
Posted by: Louise George | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 08:42 AM
This is utterly cruel and hateful, it has been going on for so long..... Eating meat is bad for morality, bad for the environment, and of course, hideously bad for the poor animals involved. There is a price to be paid for anything: that cheap steak or chicken may not cost u much at the supermarket, but its cost is suffering from start to finish for the animals, the brutalisation and corruption of the humans directly involved, the destruction of the environment with runoffs, forests cleared for cattle, food grown for cattle instead of humans, and so on. Why don't religions forbid meat eating?
Posted by: Heleln | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 09:09 AM
Well done, The Independent, for highlighting a constant problem. But we still talk of the cruelty of slaughter methods, the savagery of international transport, without considering, it seems, whether the killing of animals is necessary to keep us alive. Even the RSPCA does not condemn slaughter for meat because they know they would be fighting a losing battle. Meat-eating is OK. Just make sure you don't get caught treating animals cruelly before giving them the coup de grâce, and all is acceptable. The fact that few of us would have the stomach to witness the cruelty, or worse still the slaughter, is incidental. But whenever we eat meat, we are all cruel, in a vicarious, cowardly way.
As human beings, with our considerable knowledge od nutrition, we should be above the brutal laws of necessity that govern the other animals. In practice, we are the cruellest of animals with our production-line killing methods. As Leonardo said (or something like it), 'one day, it will be as much a crime to kill another animal as it is to kill a human being.' And why not? What is the fundamental difference? We know we can survive without killing fellow creatures, even be healthier, so why do we do it? Isn't it inhumane, inexcusable, wicked?
Posted by: Patrick Campbell | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 09:21 AM
Please show your support for the International League for the Protection of Horses (ILPH) campaign against long distance transport to slaughter at http://www.ilph.org/makeanoise/
Posted by: Michelle | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 09:53 AM
Horrific trade. Bravo to the Independent for tackling this head on. There must be something effective we can all do, as there is enough public distate/horror/anger over this. Needs a Chicken Run approach i.e. a personality or two attached to the campaign by the organisations.
Posted by: Anne | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 09:55 AM
It really is time that the UK led the way and set an example to the rest of Europe and the world. It is just not acceptable to keep transporting animals like this.
On the Hook - not the Hoof.
Posted by: Rebecca | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:00 AM
unbelievable,horrendous, unnecessary,horrific,sadistic,wicked,indifferent cruelty,STOP LIVE TRANSPORT OF ALL LIVING CREATURES NOW.DONT LET THIS CAMPAIGN FADE AWAY.
Posted by: lynne cockton | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:10 AM
I would like to congratulate the Independent for publicising ths issue! As previous commentators have pointed out, this is a global problem, but also one that can be tackled here at home! The fact of the matter is that raising animals for meat consumption is cruel wherever this takes place, and ultimately there is no such thing as humane slaughter. Animals know when they are about to get killed and I would urge the Independent to go now one step further and reveal the abject cruelty which can be witnessed in an average, everyday slaughterhouse in the UK, or indeed, where do consumers think their cheap chickens or turkeys or any other meat comes from? - Factory farms with often horrendous conditions. Battery eggs laid by hens crammed into cages so small that they can barely move, unable to stretch their wings, with nowhere to perch, but forced to stand on wiry mesh, often surrounded by dead and dying birds, barely if ever seeing daylight. Apart from the fact that killing animals for food when this is clearly nutritionally unnecessary is cruel, it is worth remembering that livestock and dairy farming are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire transport system combined! Therefore consumers should take the responsible step and become dietary vegetarians or even better vegans.
Posted by: Miriam | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:22 AM
So these people are exploiting the trend for "locally produced" food. Perhaps travel journalists and restaurant critics should take it upon themselves to do some probing into what "local" means when it appears on a menu.
This awful trade is nothing new, but it's getting bigger. Thank you for giving this campaign such prominent coverage and keep it up.
Posted by: Sarah | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:23 AM
The exporting of live animals is so morally repugnant that it ought to be banned by any civilised society. I have long campaigned against it by writing to MPs and Defra and by joining Compassion in World Farming. I am convinced that the vast majority of people in this country and many others would oppose it if the true facts were known to them. I am glad to see the Independent giving such prominence to the issue.
Posted by: Jane O'Neill | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:27 AM
Live exports is a business, apparently conducted like any other, organised to maximise profits. Nothing much is likely to change until we human animals start considering our fellow species as sensitive, sentient beings and not simply a commodity to buy and eat.
Posted by: Marian Hussenbux | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:28 AM
I personally think this is a disgusting way to treat animals. I wish it was the law to display to consumers crucial information about the meat we buy. It should at the very least inform you where it came from and where it was slaughtered. I hate the idea I could buy locally produced meat that was transported to and then slaughtered in France. If we (the consumer) had the details about what exactly we are buying we could make an informed decision!
Posted by: Deborah Helsdon | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:29 AM
The whole thing is obscene. My thanks and those of all compassionate people to your paper for exposing a shameful trade. Let's hope that anyone in power in this world will take note and speak for those who cannot.
Posted by: carol gunter | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:33 AM
This is utterly obscene.Thank God I am a veggie.Human greed and not human need is being satisfied here .
Posted by: Angus MacLeod | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:42 AM
To export animals live to be killed in another country is absolutely despicable. I live in Australia and all of us who have fought against this trade for years are absolutely delighted that a coalition of WSPA, CIWF, RSPCA and Animals Australia, and others too I believe, will bring pressure to bear to stop this hideous treatment of the innocent and helpless.
Posted by: Olga Parkes | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 10:54 AM
There will never be justice in this world for animals, we as humans have taken control, and although some of us might be able to alleviate some of the suffering, we shall never be able to stop all cruelty. I am saddened by the blinkered and sadistic attitude of the people who can actually do these horrendous things,but I feel that a lack of education has much to do with it. If people are not taught from the beginning, how can they learn ?
Posted by: Melanie | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:16 AM
Simply Despicable !!!
Thank you for bringing this unnesessary cruelty to the attention of the british public.
Its time to say
Enough is Enough !!
Please take the time to sign the petition at the following
http://www.handlewithcare.tv
Posted by: L Thomas | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:23 AM
Well done Independent for exposing this vile trade. I don't need to watch the video, I have witnessed the suffering of these gentle creatures first hand. For years I have stood at Dover Docks with campaigners from Animal Aid and Compassion in World Farming protesting at the export of all live animals. We witnessed horrendous suffering of injured sheep on lorries and at the lairages. Many years ago 200 of us joined Carla Lane at the docks in a pledge of civil disobedience when two day old calves (a by-product of the dairy industry) were being exported to Continental veal crates. We were all arrested, fined and given a criminal record. The law is not on the side of those who care, it is on the side of the vested interests of desensitised farmers and hauliers.
Posted by: Pat Griffin | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:26 AM
The tragedy for the animals and the humans who farm them is undoubtedly clear and should be shocking. But surly this article could be more helpful by pointing out what could be done, at least giving a link to a petition to our government or the EU. It would also be good if they explained how the trade internationally is monitored and controlled. I have been left traumatised and feeling un-empowered to do any thing about it.
Posted by: N Clarkson | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:35 AM
The treatment of these animals is so appalling and inhumane it has got to stop. If enough people would take a stand and step up maybe we can do something about this. How can anyone eat meat after seeing these horrific pictures. Very few of us seem to have any empathy and values left. What an awful world this is becoming.
Posted by: Judy Webber | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:37 AM
We still behave like caveman and cavewoman. Somehow we can't let go of this uncivilised behaviour. What should we do to change this? We dealing with a billion dollar busniss with very large marketing budgets to brainwash the people, who will payoff the politicians. We should start to introduce a counter weight against this. Why not put tax on advertising budgets and use this to inform people. Any other ideas?
Posted by: Cees | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 11:55 AM
Now you have it. If you want to help stop it ,take a look at the Compassion in World Farming website from which this information was taken.
http://www.handlewithcare.tv/ciwf/ or http://www.ciwf.org.uk/home/news-handle-with-care-launched.shtml
Posted by: Roger Ledger | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:00 PM
This has been going on for such a long time, why has it only come to light, for some people now? Nevertheless, well done to the Independent for making a stand. Please, don't let it become yesterday's news, keep it in the public eye until something is done. Eating meat is bad for your health, bad for the animals and bad for the planet - the meat industry damages the environment more than all the transport in the world. Why do it???
Posted by: Anne | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:06 PM
Whilst the majority of people eat animals, suffering cannot easily be eliminated - they are products, commodities and there is no room for compassion in the production line that is modern meat production. For too long the practices of the meat industry have been kept hidden - now increasingly people want to know where their food comes from and this kind of cruelty cannot ever be acceptable - those of us who care must work doubly hard to make sure we expose the truth until something is done - they can't ignore us for ever
Posted by: Bella | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:07 PM
We have been aware of these issues for some time, and are glad it is being highlighted at last.
For our own family, we don't eat meat anymore on weekdays - for both environment and animal welfare reasons. On weekends we do have some meat but have taken to buying only at:
http://www.balnafettach.com/index.html
It may look expensive at first glance, but we buy in bulk and freeze, don't eat a lot of meat, and bulk out what we do eat with pulses (better for us in any case).
You can see lots more info about the farm at:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2007/10/happy_meat.html
This isn't a plug for a business we have anything at all to do with - except as customers. Just pointing out an alternative way of doing this.
Posted by: C Thomlinson | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:12 PM
Congratulations to the Independent for highlighting this world-wide atrocity. Australia's live export trade is simply obscene. Laws are in place in Australia about humane handling and slaughter, yet Australia exports millions of sheep, cattle, goats, camels, deer and sometimes horses, mostly to the Middle East and South East Asia. Tens of thousands die on the third world wrecks of ships, from starvation, acute pneumonia, septicaemia from having to lie in their own excrement for weeks, or trauma from brutal handling. Those who survive the journeys are the really unfortunate ones. They face truly atrocious handling and slaughter practices in countries where no animal protection laws exist, and we are talking about people who flog female rape victims and stone them. What hope do animals have?
Please take the time to look at Australia's part in this egregiously brutal trade in animals, and write to Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia, Parliament House, Canberra, ACT 2601, Australia.
Posted by: Nicky | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:35 PM
The front cover of the Independant caught my eye this morning - I almost wish it hadn't. It's at times like this you feel so useless. You know it goes on and yet because it is so repulsive you'd rather not know. Thank you for making the transportation of live animals your front page coverage. It needs a newspaper like you to cover such an article. Will it make any difference? Maybe - it will certainly make a lot of people stop and think and I hope something can be done to stop this dreadful trade. I do not undertand why animals need to be transported ALIVE! Surely if so many die along the way, it just proves what a useless system this is.
Posted by: Sue | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 12:50 PM
Animals are creatures of God just as we are. I think there is a special place in hell for those who abuse these poor helpless creatures. My question is why????? All it would take would be to change the policy of these companies and forbid mistreatment at the risk of losing your job. Stand up and do the right thing.
Posted by: Karen Haggerty | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:16 PM
People will continue to eat meat, but animals should only be killed in the country of production, preferably travel limited to 30 miles.
There is no will within the EU to police the transport of live animals, so severe restrictions are the only way to stop this dreadful trade. Why cannot we have the Health and Safety people off our backs & do something useful with this trade. They would be ideal as they take everything very seriously.
Why do we also have to pander to these medieval methods of slaughter too. Jewish & halal methods had a basis in reason before refrigeration, so that the carcass was fully bled out, & kept longer. This cruelty of cutting a fully conscious animals throat, to bleed it to death is an affront to civilized behaviour. We should not allow it in civilized countries, & not export our live animals to meet such a fate. They have been raised in good welfare conditions, & do not deserve to be deserted by us to face such a fate, either here or abroad in less civilized countries. Every animal deserves to be rendered unconscious before it is exsanguinated.
Posted by: SC | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:20 PM
People will continue to eat meat, but animals should only be killed in the country of production, preferably travel limited to 30 miles.
There is no will within the EU to police the transport of live animals, so severe restrictions are the only way to stop this dreadful trade. Why cannot we have the Health and Safety people off our backs & do something useful with this trade. They would be ideal as they take everything very seriously.
Why do we also have to pander to these medieval methods of slaughter too. Jewish & halal methods had a basis in reason before refrigeration, so that the carcass was fully bled out, & kept longer. This cruelty of cutting a fully conscious animals throat, to bleed it to death is an affront to civilized behaviour. We should not allow it in civilized countries, & not export our live animals to meet such a fate. They have been raised in good welfare conditions, & do not deserve to be deserted by us to face such a fate, either here or abroad in less civilized countries. Every animal deserves to be rendered unconscious before it is exsanguinated.
Posted by: SC | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:21 PM
First and foremost, congratulations to The Independent for having the bravery to put this story on the front page and front page news this surely is! This world is supposed to be moving forward and yet animals are being treated worse now in most parts of the world than they have ever been before. Why? Because MONEY and not COMPASSION is everyone's god! It is time that the human species started asking themselves 'How did this come to be here'? Only then will they find they have gained what no money can every buy - and that is a CONSCIENCE.
Posted by: ICare | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:23 PM
Thank you Independent for a bold front page. I am so so saddened and dispairing of mans treatment of animals and nature. I do not eat animals for concern for the welfare. It is time people took responsibility and stopped turning a cowardly blind eye. Please follow up this article and tell us what we can do to make this stop.
Posted by: Tory | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:40 PM
Animal welfare demands that any animals destined for consumption should be slaughtered at source and exported/imported as meat. And any decent farmer or butcher will tell you that the shorter the animal's journey to slaughter, the better the meat.
Posted by: lesley docksey | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:48 PM
How can anyone condone this horrifying practice of transporting animals for hours only to suffer a worse fate at the end of their journey..maybe the ones who die en route are relieved of the final horrors.All meat should be sourced from animals slaughtered in their own country of origin..the whole factory farming business is just controlled by greed and cruelty,which is why I am vegetarian.
I have supported Compassion in World Farming for many years,please join this excellent organisation and help them to lobby parliaments in all those countries involved.
Posted by: Elizabeth Willsher | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 01:50 PM
Thank you so much for publishing this very important story. I live in Brazil and the destruction of forests for cattle breeding seems to be completely out of control here with the Government giving amnesty to these invaders who have no legal right to be on this land. To add insult to injury many of these huge gentle animals are shipped off abroad in the most despicable conditions. I am vegan but even if I was not I would not use any animal product from any kind of animal that has suffered terribly.
Posted by: Irene Hill | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 02:00 PM
This trade is appalling, upsetting and totally unnecessary, but it cannot be good for humans either as stressed animals produce cortisol (a carcinogen) and lack of food and water surely affects the quality of the meat. Meat from animals treated like this can never taste anything like that from animals that have led a stress free, outdoor existence with plenty of food and water (as game and Welsh lamb testifies). I for one would not want to eat meat from an animal treated in this way, as I would be concerned that it might be unhealthy. Surely it is only common sense. If we can't stop the trade on the animal welfare front then maybe approaching it from the human health point of view might have more effect.
Posted by: Anne Bamber | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 02:02 PM
Thank you to the Independent for you brave and necessary front page. Time and time again people have tried to expose the widespread cruelty in the meat trade. The meat trade is not magnanimously producing food for those that need it out the goodness of its own heart, it is profit driven. Apart from the fact the meat is an unnecessary product anyway and we live longer for not consuming it, livestock animals eat more food that they could every produce, if you want to ensure global food and water shortages then keep eating meat and dairy! Anyone in the UK who has eaten meat abroad has contributed to this. I keep hearing time and time again that meat eaters care – yet less the 5% of all meat sold in the UK if free range so something is not adding up. Animals are individuals and value their own lives just as we do; therefore to kill them for such trivial reasons as a mere sandwich is morally wrong and smacks of human arrogance. Veganism is a direct boycott of this vile trade, I only wish I had gone vegan years earlier
Posted by: LeicesterGal | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 02:07 PM
Makes you despair about man's inhumanity to man and his fellow creatures. Even more so when prosperous (including EU) countries like Canada, USA, Australia, Spain and Italy are involved. This is just the sort of area where pressure from a strong grouping like the EU should be applied. And sending a few of the perpetrators to jail (preferably cramped, sweaty and faeces ridden) would be a step in the right direction
Posted by: Peter Duckworth | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 02:09 PM
This trade is immoral, unethical and uterly disgusting. I am so glad that such an important newspaper is taking this matter seriously. Pleople must know where their food comes from and how so they can decide whether it's ok to eat it.
Posted by: simone capozzi | Wednesday, 13 February 2008 at 02:16 PM