Today The Independent reports on the millions of pounds worth of soft fruit and vegetables that are likely to be left to rot in fields this summer because of a shortage of foreign pickers, caused by the falling value of the pound and new restrictions on the number of seasonal labourers allowed to enter Britain. But do the immigration laws require an overhaul? Or should the entry of non-EU workers be restricted? Tell us what you think.

Frankly, for many of us it is a cause for celebration hearing that our eastern Europeans neighbours are finally reached to a point that they can make a better life back home instead of troubling themselves coming over here. I sincerely hope this prediction is true and all other friendly migrant nations follow the same path! I would also like to thank them for improving our economy and representing us with their rich cultural aspects. I am quite sure if the situation was reverse, they would definitely do the same for us. Good luck to them, anyway.
Meanwhile, let us not forget that the battle for fair wages in Britain has just begun.
Posted by: Mack, London, England, UK | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:20 AM
The falling value of the Pound? Which Chancellor was it whose pigheaded hatred of the Euro caused him to ensure Britain didn't join when it had the chance?? Why, it was Gordon Brown!
Posted by: Neil McGowan | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 06:28 AM
When there are so many people starving in the World, the news that our fruit will once again be rotting in the fields, because it is not "economic" to harvest it, is an absolute disgrace. So, the foreign migrants are returning to their homes, because their employers have a shortage, and have raised the wages. Let our greedy employers do the same, and if it is the case that supermarkets are driving the costs down, then let the government step in to offer some kind of protection to home produced goods.
I remember years ago (1970-80), when you could toil all day in a fruit field, for less than £10 reward. We need to restore some basic labour laws for the poorest paid.
Posted by: AndyUK | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 08:00 AM
Sorry but I've no sympathy for these farmers who make their profit out of cheap labour, paying just a pittance.
Oops I'm sorry didn't realise that this is a plea to allow unrestricted immigration from non EU countries into the UK, so gangmasters and cheapskate farmers/employers can profit from them.
Posted by: flipped | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 08:27 AM
Brown was right not to go into the Euro. One of the few things he did that was right.
Governments should be in charge of their own money supply and their own currency and take this power back from the bankers. Currently governments borrow their own money from bankers and pay them interest on it. This is absurd.
Posted by: scousekraut | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 08:51 AM
Scrap the hedonistic gap year culture (sometimes thinly disguised as charity) and get pre-students and undergraduates into the fields picking and earning their next years fees. Student loans, if granted in extreme emergency should be repayable before the start of the next academic year.
Posted by: Martin Cole | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 09:02 AM
So let's get guest workers then! We can send them back when we don't need them any more!
If we had done that from the 1960s then we would not have islamist ghettos all over britain.
We should never have allowed the EU to introduce policies that would disadvantage us. Countries are different - so why whoudl we all dance to the tune of centralised bureaucrats who don't live here!
The quality of life in the country goes down every year - I really do not care about the national economy here and GDP. It is meaningless. Our quality of life is crap now - we are way too crowded - and yes, that is due to immigration.
We do NOT have to let people stay!!!!!!! Just ask them here to be guests for a few months! Dammit - british kids used to go grape-picking in France!
But, yet again, the ethno-philiac maniacs are using this as a 'reason' to let in millions of ethnic immigrants and make british people even more angry and frustrated at what has been done to their country by rich politicos whose wealth make them immune to the negative effects of this open-door policy.
This country should look aftre its own - like evefry other country does. What is WRONG with this place!?
Posted by: Mikkadodo | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 09:03 AM
I'm angry too that instead of being prepared to pay people a reasonable wage, producers are arrogant enough to let the crop go to waste, than accept a reduced profit. A profit they must be able to afford if they can let food rot rather than be picked and eaten.Huh!Oh no they just want to exploit a few more non-euro workers who dont realise how much it costs to live in this country.
Posted by: alspiers | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 12:01 PM
If you look back to colonial era British have always used the cheap labour eg.sugar or the tea plantation in Africa or in India etc.And still the Gurkhas especially the martial race from Nepal,in the British army for the vested interest of the 'British Empire'.
Posted by: yam gurung | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:12 PM
Regarding today's article about the fruit losses looming his year because of a lack of casual labour - call me old fashioned and, if you like, call me an idealist - but why are we relying on immigration to fill this labour gap? We have so many unemployed people in this country who have never worked a day simply because they don't want to (I'm not saying that this is in all cases - far from it, but there are a large number who this does apply to, as we all know). What about all those people jamming up our prisons, who quite frankly could be earning some of their keep! Shouldn't we be looking at mobilising the above-mentioned people who, in my opinion would probably benefit from doing an honest day's productive work... both physically and mentally! Come on UK - let's get real and look at utilising what we have got instead of trying to cram even more bodies into an infrastructure that is already creaking! Can't we sort out our own back yard instead of relying on the desparation of people from countries where they are, in many cases, already exploited to "plump up" our labour because we can't get our own lazy lumps off their sofas and off their playstations?
Posted by: D Nichols | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:15 PM
Anyone who invested capital in a scheme based on the exploitation of vulnerable immigrants deserves everything that is coming to them. Hiding behind agencies and ruthless gang masters is typical of the constantly winging farmer. It sounds like Rackmam lives and has moved to the country. If you can't make a profit paying a decent wage it's not worth doing. How difficult is that to work out?
Posted by: fred | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:15 PM
Haven't we got 2 million people not in employment,training or education in this country? Why doesn't the indi take on the story from a more inspired angle "Labour's indulgent welfare state pays millions to stay idle while fruit rots."
And why focus on immigrants? Is the Indi pro unfettered immigration? Does it think the UK, a country of 60 million souls, is incapable of picking its own produce and if so why? Why should we rely of Poles desperate for a better life to bus it over here and pick our veg? How did we not starve 30 years ago when Poland was part of the Warsaw Pact? Am I the only one wondering why the government doesn't do more to force the loafers off their backsides?
If I was a coucil leader I'd write to every able bodied person on the dole for 6 months or more. I'd say, there is a mini bus waiting outside the benefit office. Get on it and pick fruit. If you don't show up you lose that days wages from your benefit. You'd probably find the Poles wouldn't be needed any more.
Posted by: gareth | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:16 PM
What a great opportunity for Labours promised Community Penalty initiatives as alternatives to Prison, get them out there!
Posted by: William Hudson | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:33 PM
Mikadodo says
'We should never have allowed the EU to introduce policies that would disadvantage us. Countries are different - so why whoudl we all dance to the tune of centralised bureaucrats who don't live here!'
I think your EU-hatred clearly stands in the way of clarity of thought. The 'points based system' is not an EU policy, but a British one. As the UK is the only EU country that has refused to join Schengen, the UK immigration policy is totally separate and independent from the EU. This new government quango, the BIA, is the one in charge. I am absolutely thrilled to see that their Mail/Sun pleasing totalitarian-cum-eugenics style immigration policies are spectacularly backfiring. The UK and the BIA thought that they could have an unlimited supply of 'slave' labour from the new Eastern European EU members and now they are seeing the reality: A lot of Polish and other Eastern EU country workers are going back and I know that first hand. In any case, most of them are over qualified and prefer warehouse jobs, why should they want to do farming work for semi-slavery wages. Incidentally these wages are not imposed by the farmers; they are forced to pay such low wages to be able to make a pittance out of supplying the supermarket oligopoly. With regards to Rumanian and Bulgarian immigrants, the current bottom of the food chain in EU migration, they are all going to Italy and Spain, where there is agricultural work to employ them many times over. Why on earth would they come to a country that a) will pay them in a currency that is depreciating by the week, b) is culturally so different to their own countries, much closer to the Latin culture, well Rumania is a Latin country anyway… and c) which has such a poor quality of life and the cost of day to day essentials is sky high.
Posted by: JorgeG | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:37 PM
Lets kill two birds with one stone.If the fruit needs to be picked and prisons are overcrowded,lets have some chain gangs on the go,this surely will address two problems.
Posted by: Paul | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:38 PM
Entertaining that a newspaper which considers itself of the "left" sides with the low paying boss class. Heres what can happen. The farmers can pay more to harvest their strawberries. They can market them as local ( and thus more expensive, if needs be). Some of the millions of people in Scotland who dont have jobs can toil these fields, preferably without losing any benefits they have ( we should see these as training schemes). Result: More money for everybody except the upper-middle class readers of the Independent who have to fork out for dearer strawberries ( Or they can buy foreign). So it goes.
The other option is mechanization. That's how Apple's are harvested.
Posted by: Eugene | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 02:40 PM
Many Britains used to work all year round, however, due to foreign labour thousands of British suffered as farmers refused to take English workers. This is gruelling work for a pittance which was why it was usually foreign students doing it. I picked apples and pears a few years ago and due to many imported fruits the British fruit was left rotting as farmers could not compete with the price, which shows that this is nothing new. Greedy supermarkets have killed this industry and many small farms were already going out of business. People are saying use the unemployed, yet many of them were put out of work by immigration and cheap labour. It seams even this plight has given room to once again lash out at the unemployed, if Britain hadn't done away with apprenticeships in favour of cheep labour our work force would still be able to compete in the global economy instead millions of Britains have been not only thrown on the scrap heap but are being blamed for their own poverty.
Posted by: KATRINA | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 03:09 PM
The Independent is perfectly right in denouncing this foolish form of protectionism.
- Many young students from Ukraine (a country with a per capita GDP that is 1/6 the UK's) who could have spent the summer earning 5-6 pounds/hour, visiting the UK, and learning English now will stay home earning 0 (zero) pounds/hour.
- British farmers will not be able to pick and sell their produce.
- British supermarket will buy fruit from abroad.
- British consumers will pay more for their fruit.
How is this a good deal?
Posted by: Daniel | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:07 PM
Get some of the 5 million people of working age who live of state benefits in the UK to do the picking, and the employers have to pay a reasonable wage for the job, which is no bad thing ! Massive immigration reduces wages and living standards for poorer people, and enriches only a few at the top.
Posted by: Simon | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:17 PM
Katrina is si right about the lack of apprenticeships.Many years ago in the 80s I returned from living some years in Africa with my family. My children had been educated in good private schools but lacked any British education qualifications. Concerned that my son had one measly O level to show I sat down and wrote a personal letter to the MDs of several very large companies in the area. I explained that although the lad had no qualifications he had, had a good rounded education, was intelligent and eager to learn. I said that it was not his fault only mine for taking him around the world. This at a time when there was no apprenticeships to be had. The result was my lad got three offers from leading companies and he chose the one he wanted. He completed it got his HNC and went on to make a very successful career. I daresay had I not done this he would've joined the ranks of the umployable.
Posted by: Alan,Warsaw | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:28 PM
If foreign workers are happy to work for £5-6 an hour, doing work that doesn't warrant pay much above the minimum wage (after all, what's a minimum wage for?) but our own population are too grand to graft at that level, and if it benefits farmers and our economy in general, then what's the problem? A recent TV programme showed British youths outside the Job Centre not interested in field work at £7 / hour (quotes: "I'd rather sign on than pick squash" and "I wouldn't want to work with foreigners") while foreign workers were earning up to £2000 per month doing the work. The farmer had only had three non-British applicants for work - currently at £7 / hour - in two years. Much of the anti-migrant-worker rhetoric we hear is pure xenophobia, or pandering to it.
Posted by: FWK | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:34 PM
What I wanted to say has already been said- get the unemployed off their a**ses and into work. There are plenty of them, but the problem is here people/youngsters do not want to work and they receive free money and life is too easy for them. This type of work is also 'below' British people. Nice to see lots of foreigners realising just HOW crap it is to live here in the UK though (and the racism they suffer), and are going back home. The pittance they get for working here is disgraceful!! I don't mean that in a racist/xenophobic way- my wife is South American- it's just good that they are not being exploited by our bosses here anymore. I was speaking to a Frenchman in February about this situation and he told me that he tells the immigrants in France not to come to Britain. 'No', the immigrants say, 'all of my friends are in the UK, all working', and the Frenchman replies: 'Yes, but they are all working for nothing, and for long hours. What kind of life is that?' Like all British people, working for nothing, long hours, being ripped- off in this expensive country with shoddy services and dirty places- and all Brits do is moan or move abroad. Enough said.
Posted by: John Rowlands. | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:47 PM
Sorry- a*ses' not 'a**ses'. Don't wish to seem illiterate!
Posted by: John Rowlands. | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 04:52 PM
Come on - People in Britain need proper wages. I have lived and worked in central europe, where the minimun wage is about £1 an hour, but the cost of living is 20-25% of the UK. So, for an worker to come here and earn £6 and hour is like a British teenager going to eastern europe and earning 6 times the minimum wage - ie £30 per hour - for working in McDonalds!!!!! Or doing any crap job! I think if that were the situation a lot of Brits would go to Poland, especially is Polish were the international language. As it is, we all suffer due to the present situation. We need an organised scheme for foreigners to pick this fruit. But then immigratiuon to the UK has always been a great big mess and no-one even knows how many immigrants are here!
I do agree however that the British education system - which got rid of tertiary education and apprenticeships, and replaced it with the dreadful American comprehensive system, has meant that we do not have youngsters who are qualified in vocational subjects as in Germany any more. It is NOTHING to do with 'parity of esteem' and all the nonsense that gets spouted by PC leftie educationalists - it is because we got rid of selective education. In other mainland european countries THEY DIDN'T! We should reintroduce grammar schools, vocational schools, and middle schools - they have this system all over europe. And we can see the results on every building site in the UK.
I liked the idea of guest workers though - if we have immigrants to pick fruit how can we be sure they'll leave. THAT is one big problem here.
Posted by: Mikey | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 05:38 PM
Why not bring in workers from Africa for the season (only). Transportation costs may be prohibitive but if not these people are desperate to earn a living and are used to hard work.
Also open up a part of the fields to "you pick" like they do here in Canada. You pick your own fruit for a reduced cost.
Posted by: Mary Mcneill | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 06:00 PM
Why do we need workers from outside the country? What is wrong with British students or young people without jobs doing the picking? If they turn their noses at jobs like these, they should have their benefits stopped. End of story. My son who went on to obtain a First Class Honours degree at Oxford, during his holidays did spells as a kitchen porter in a restaurant near our home. The owners told him he was the only English boy who had ever applied for the job; and the foreigners who did rarely lasted more than two weeks. It was not a glamorous job; very hot in the Summer and terribly unsociable hours, but it taught him a lot lessons; not least how to treat employees when he gets to the top.
Posted by: Beatriz | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 06:12 PM
We have the biggest pool of labour needed for any task it's called a dole queue, or do we now just accecpt that we will never get any thing back from the people that dont want to work
Posted by: mark holt | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 08:12 PM
As a partner in a very modest sized fruit farm/PYO, I'd like to add a few comments.It really isn't possible to pay much more than the modest wages agreed by the Agricultural Wages Board for non-skilled jobs such as fruit picking, and still make a profit.Consumers have been paying too little for their food for too long, and the percentage of salary spent on food has declined steadily over the last 30 years.Horticulture has not traditionally recieved the EU subsidies that other farmers have recieved, and consequently has become highly efficient, but now has no room to manoeuvre on wages etc. Most of the larger fruit growers have only been able to expand because of the availability of foreign labour. In my area, it is almost impossible to find local people who want seasonal farm work. If people were prepared to pay more for their food, growers could pay higher wages. But the truth is, that most people in a country with high employment levels are not going to choose to work outdoors in all weathers, at fairly monotonous work that requires high levels of concentration and strict attention to detail, when they could be indoors in the dry. I don't believe that most fruit growers are "greedy" - they are just trying to earn a living, the same as everyone else, and to balance the books. If more of them decide to grow cereals and other more profitable crops, this country will have to import much more fruit from abroad.Finally, regarding the comment suggesting prisoners be employed to harvest the fruit, I wonder if the writer thinks this would be good idea in other areas where employees are needed - the banking profession springs to mind, or perhaps home security installation -I'm sure there would be many highly skilled candidates, more qualified for this type of work than for fruit picking .
Posted by: Maggie Norvell | Monday, 12 May 2008 at 08:14 PM
Last year Warsaw was swamped with strawberries from China! Yet in Poland they produce a wide variety of soft fruits which a bulk of it is sold directly on the streets by growers.
Re the skills it's worth a mention that in Poland if the pupil does'nt make the marks in high school he/she goes to the Polytechnic to learn skills. Er yes, like plumbing, building and the like. This is why there is an ample supply of skilled labour. Of course there are those much higher qualified that have gone to the UK. Largely to improve their English. There is little by way of social security and that includes the aged. Nowadays the cost of living is rising fast despite the new found power of the Zloty. True, Poles have found a better life back home lately, But doctors, nurses and teachers earn a pittance so nothing changed for them.
If you do not organize your young, educate and train them, then how can you expect the work ethic to permeate through? It's too easy to pay out benefits and rely on cheap immigrant labour. The result is the mess that we see today in the UK.
Posted by: Alan.Warsaw | Tuesday, 13 May 2008 at 12:22 PM
Dunno what all the fuss is about!
The Strawberries one buys in the shops are hard, sour and tasteless!
For the past couple of years I've been growing my own in a few large pots! They are they sweet, melt in your mouth and full of yummy flavour! So, O.K, I don't get them all year round, but what a treat when they are here!!
Don't forget, farmers only plant strawberrie plants that are hardy, resist pests etc, etc, they may look good in their fancy punnets, but they taste like hard, sour bullets!
REGARDS TO ALL,
GERONIMO
Posted by: GERONIMO | Tuesday, 20 May 2008 at 04:12 PM
The reality for farmers is that the supermarkets take advantage of them and sell the fruit and vegetables which are in season at a discount leaving the farmer underpaid for a crop which has cost him too much to grow and pick. If UK citizens want UK fruit and vegetables they will either have to pay a realistic price or the farms will go out of business one by one over the next few years. Buy British or we shall no longer be there and there will only be foreign, tasteless but 'cheap' fruit. There are very few fruit farms left in this country.
Posted by: Peter | Thursday, 22 May 2008 at 10:28 AM
This is normal. British people have complained too much that there are too many immigrants in UK. Yes they were many but they did and some still do all the jobs the British don't do : farming, retail, hotels, care. When these people are gone what will happen then ? Will the Brits do these jobs ? No, because they'd rather stay at home on "Labour" benefits instead of working for small wages. The reality is that you can't have it both ways. You can't have immigrants only when it suits you and they you welcome them to go home. You want this situation resolved ? Then you stop the benefits for all who don't deserve them (which is the majority) and send those people to work. If one is dumb enough to leave school at 16, with no qualifications and unable to read or write then one does not deserve anything better. Simple as that. Work for once you lazy bastards and stop complaining about hard working immigrants.
Posted by: Andrei | Sunday, 25 May 2008 at 10:08 PM
It's a fact that the ordinary semi-skilled or unskilled working class in this country are being exploited. Why does the government not stop immigration on such a huge scale? The reasons being are that most of these immigrants come from a life of poverty and would work for say £5.50 an hour, then again many of them share a small rented flat. Now imagine you have a wife and say 2 kids to support and all the work you could get wa sbeing a driver or an admin job paying in the region of £15,000 - £18,000 a year, how could you manage on that, take into consideration rents, rates, council tax, fuel, food fares, clothes etc. You'd be lucky if you could buy clothes at Primark. I keep being told "It's not what you earn it's what you spend it on" well yes, but you still have to take into consideration that prices don't discriminate, it'll still cost me £7.00 for a one day travelcard the same it'll cost an executive earning £80,000 a year. I'm currently unemployed at the moment so have tried nearly everything to find work, i've noticed that in 2001/2002 agencies were paying £6 p/hr for unskilled even semi-skilled work, do you know what prices have gone up yes! but the wages haven't.
Posted by: Billy | Monday, 29 September 2008 at 04:56 PM