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Tuesday, 24 June 2008

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Nkheyehenye HH Mfngu

Who does Mr Tatchel think he is abusing the dignity of our beloved Mandiba! Shame on you! Why must Mandela condemn his friends? That is not the African way. I implore the Zimbabwean people to go out and vote in numbers on Friday and prove to the world that Africans know how to conduct an election. The MDC pull out, if it actually happens, should not be allowed to interfere with an election process that has lasted months already. Let the Zimbabwean people remember the words of the immortal blood-stirring anthem of Zimbabwe, Nkosi Sikelel’ iAfrika, and accept the result of the vote. Let all parties cease violence as has been called for by South Africa’s leader, Mr Thabo Mbeki!

J Evan

Quite correct, Mr Tatchell. As a South African I am outraged. Mandela is the one man who could make a big difference, but stays silent. But more disgraceful is the lack of action from the ANC government in South Africa. Mr Mfngu's comment, 3:02pm, was also disgrace. Who cares if they are friends? You condemn someone who is a murderer and a dictator, no matter how deep your friendship runs. What sort of morals have you got? So if someone was friends with the apartheid government, do you suggest they should NOT have spoken against it? Ridiculous and shows the African mindset.

James Lizamore

What an excellent article! Being a born Zimbabwian, now living in Cape Town, I have always wondered about the silence of Mandela. Why must Mandela condemn his friends? the previous commentator wrote. Because no person as evil as Mugabe could, or should, ever be considered a friend, and that Nkheyehenye is not only the right way, but is also the African way. Nobody should keep silent about such satanically evil, even if Satan is your friend.

bob

Which Nelson Madela are we talking about here? "Living saint" doesn't fit well with "one-time leader of the terrorist organisation Umkhonto we Sizwe". History truly is written by the victors.

J Smith

Well said. Mandela's silence is deafening and suggests nothing but sympathy for Mugabe's regime.

Alan Smith

To anyone in Zimbabwe that supports Mugabe with violence:

Just remember that he is an old man and will die soon. Be careful of the legacy you leave yourself and your country when he dies.

When Hitler died, the Nazi's scattered all around the world to avoid their fate for the suffering they knew they caused.

Tom

While Mandela may be the closest we have to a living saint, Mr Tatchell is almost certainly the closest thing we have to a living demon.

ned the red

”shows the African mindset?" Is this not a racist comment? How about "ridiculous, and shows the colonialist overlord mindset"? Mbeki, granted, is been useless. That`s been known for years. China and Russia should be criticized by other African countries for their stance. The rest of the world, the UN, and Mandela in particular, could and should have acted sooner. Mugabe should have been detained while in Italy.

UN sanctions, enforced by Zimbabwe`s neighbors, denial of all but humanitarian assistance delivered by UN authorized foreign bodies, denial of regime members` access to foreign bank accounts, and open borders, temporary aid and safe shelter to Zimbabweans who wish to leave, internationally financed, would be a good start.

Born in Kandahar

Unfortunately we live in time of history that loyalty means everything, freindship means everything, and it does not matter if you are loyal or a freind to evil persons like the blood thirsty, war mongering, powerful criminals all over the world.

As the men in WW1 were called the "Greatest Generation", the baby boomers of the world will leave such a legacy where they will be called refered to the
"Evil Generation", "Shameful Generation", "Sick G"

I am a shame and embarraced to live in such times.

serge Mc

Hey you guys, what is wrong with you? Mandela declared himself out of all political issues long time ago, why you people want him to get involved in this internal conflit,that will not benefit him or his philantropist dutie anyway?

I would like to remind you people on one thing before you put all your bad jugement on Mandela. In 1997 Mandela invited Mobutu, then President of DRCongo and Kabila, a rebel supported by Bush to meet up in South Africa and discuss the sharing power issue to stop the civil war in their country. What happened that day, every Africain can remember easily because Kabila refused to agree on Mandela proposition even thought Mandela was doing this for their own good. What I want to say is that althought Mandela was not fit enough to travel to the island and meet up with these two Congolese evils, but he did indeed and what he got from them was just what he does not want to get from Mugabe and Morgan because they would not listen to him anyway. I am sure Mandela has come to the point of thinking that despite his effort, these two people would not listen to him. So please leave Mandela alone and let him live in peace for the rest of his life. I am sure Africa has got more leadres who can handle this situation but the problem is all of them have got the same ambitions as Mugabe and Morgan, which is to get power and discriminate their own people. I am not happy with the way Mugabe is treating his own peopl, and I am also not happy with the way Morgan has withdrew himself from the election poll. It is a sign of selfishness,because if he thinks that the majority of people are behind him then he should carry on with this election and punish Mugabe. I don't think he is man enough to handle the situation of the country, his behaviour speaks of itself.

Clive

This is a very good point, and Mr Tatchell I applaud you, mostly because you were the only person who has ever taken action against Mr Mugabe(BOB). I do agree with you that Mandela should have said or done something by now, the fact that he has not yet done this means he probably never will. What concerns me is the currnet govenrment in South Africa has not condemmed the regime in Zimbabwe and infact has aired on the side of Mugabe when making statements in the world press about the current attrocities.
I do feel sorry for Morgan as he is stuck between a rock and hard place, this is because the current goverment has had to resort to voilence as even with the immense vote rigging that will happen could not beat the immerging leader Morgan. I think I might go back home to Zimbabwe for the elections as my Grandfather who sadly passed away 2 years ago, is voting in Chitingwiza, it will be nice catch up!!!!!!!!!!
Sad thing is I am afraid, Mugabe will continue to rule zimbabwe intil he dies, and waiting in his wings will be another vicious rabid man who will take over and continue in the same manner for fear of retribution for what he has done in the past.

RG

Spot on PT!

Nkheyehenye HH Mfngu - Mandela is not his friend, in fact he cannot stand him!!

Mandela's silence is because he does not want to embaress the man he appointed to succeed him - Mbeki. But as we are now seeing 'one man one vote' was just convienent propaganda to be used against undemocratic white regimes. Democracy becomes irrelevant to this lot once they are in power. ZanuPF=ANC=ZanuPF & so on!

Oliver Chettle

The liberal establishment has chosen the wrong idol. Mandela is quite good, but Tutu is the exceptional one.

Oliver Chettle

Helping Zimbabwe is not the main reason why Mandela should speak out, because it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference to the situation in Zimbabwe. It might, but most likely it wouldn't. The reason why he should speak out is that the whole of Africa needs a clear statement that democracy is the way forward. Mandela's legacy should be to draw a clear distinction between black rule - especially "liberation" movement rule - and democracy, which are two fundamentally different things. Many white liberals do not understand how different, and nor do most African bigwigs. There is only one man who could put this difference to both those groups in a way they might understand, and that is Mandela. Though that assumes that he fully understands it himself, which I doubt. Tutu does, which is why he should be the man on the pedestal, if anyone, not Mandela.

ANKH

Great comment posted at 3:40 by Tom about the living Demon Peter Tatc-HELL Do you get it? Demon/Hell-Laughing
Before commenting on Madiba Mandela,s silence about Robert Mugabe,s Regime and as a anti-apartheid activist Tatchell should be well aware of the fact that despite the illusion of political power being handed over to the
ANC the so called black majority goverment the DUTCH-BOER did not hand over ECONOMIC or TECHNOLOGICAL POWER which is still in the firm control of the GERMAN DUTCH-BOERS.
And why did the GERMAN BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY honour Mugabe with the one of the highest knighthoods KCB (which is a Knight Commander in the Order of Bath The
Great Master is HRH Prince Charles of Wales)
in the british honours system that has been given to any African leader including Mandela if Mugabe is such a Tyrant or Dictator?
The hidden faces of colonialism is still playing a major hand in the lack of progress of the African
Continent and it,s peoples so as Robert Mugabe does his masters bidding Madiba Mandela stays silent patiently for the rest of us to see the reality of what is really going on in Southern Africa This is why Morgan Tsvangari has sort refuge in the Dutch Embassy(German-Dutch-Boers)

cory

Mandela retired from Politics? In 2003 when the usa invaded iraq mandela called the usa an evil empire. but he does not say anything about his friends mugabe,castro,gadaffi. in 1983 PW Botha had the chance of assasinating Mugabe(Mugabe provided training and funding to the anc in the 80s), he did not want to do it because at that time the west was in love with mugabe and south africa was the black sheep of the world. Lets think about it, maybe old PW Botha should have ordered the assasination? zimbabwe would have been a better country today? life expectancy of blacks under white rule in rhodesia was 65 years, its now 37 years!!! common sense. to the auther, how do you sleep at night? you should be held responsible for terror that is oppon all south africans with this black goverment. I would not be surprised that you are living in the UK??? why not south africa, as you have worked so hard to make it ''better''???

Rob dePlume

Well said, Mister Tatchell! You made me a fan when you went mano-a-mano with Mugabe’s thugs a few years back. No, we probably won’t be getting anything on Mugabe out of Saint Mandela della Umkhonto we Sizwe. He’s more likely to sound off on Lockerbie injustice or the Spice Girls.

Never mind, we can always rely on Bono for a soundbite. Or maybe Mr Hewson could coax something out of Winnie: she must owe him one for all those Issue-Rock-audience standing ovations he got for her in the good old days.

DNG

Since when was it Nelson Mandela's responsibility to fix the unforgivable actions of a cretin who was once a hero for millions of Zimbabwean? Yes Mandela is truely an inspirational figure whose own actions paved the way for millions of South Africans to experience freedom today. But lets not forget that Mandela is a human being, a father and evidently an ageing man who cannot save the world by himself. It is not up to him and solely up to him to speak out against Mugabe. Where were all the world leaders years before condemning Mugabe's actions? To do it now, after so much torture has taken place, is too little too late. It is unfair to put all the blame on Madiba. Look at his successor Thabo Mbeki - what has HE done? As the leader of SA and the ANC HE should be the one speaking out, not a 90 year old man who has done more for this world than we can ever repay him.

Mark

I would not be attending the Mandela celebrations because he has not spoken out against Mugabe and once again Mandela is NO SAINT. He was behind the killing of innocent people in the Church Street Bombs in Pretoria. Read more about Pretoria Church Street Bombs on google. Mother Tereasa IS A Saint she never killed anyone, her actions speak louder than Words.

Sean

He has spoken out against the Zimbabwe regime, happy now Mandela haters? He's 90, give him a break

Rob dePlume

It wasn't exactly a storming anti-Mugabe diatribe, was it? Tatchell's action was more direct (and courageous). But at least The Saint had decisive measures ready for that other scourge of democracy, Naomi Campbell. I mean, what's systematic genocide compared to harsh language for a pilot?

tim wookey

This is not courageous at all.Doesn't anyone realise here that he has not gone far enough.Mandela "signed off on the church street bombings."Is terrorsim ok if it's for the greater good?

mangeze

Slight diversion; but yeah Major was vastly unappreciated. And once his fingers had been prised off that Euro nonsense his piloting of the economy was almost brilliant.
why benefit 'Gordon brown' and zimbabwe.
As for Brown, I've never been convinced he knew what he was doing (despite what the media kept telling me to believe). His sole aim was to maximise the amount of cash he could bleed from the system. He doesn't care if by taking too much he kills the golden goose because they'll ALWAYS be enough cash for the 'spender of first resort' to squander.

The end game is when we're reduced to Zimbabwe's level of living standards and even then Brown knows his most incompetent fiddling wouldn't achieve that for many many years. For Brown, its a win win situation.

I hope come the day they decide to park a bronze statue of the current PM inside Parliament... they send the great man the bill.

PS.
Time minute warning till Stock Market crash. Get your money out now!

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