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Friday, 04 July 2008

Have Your Say: Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

P1040708 Britain's first Muslim minister has attacked the growing culture of hostility against Muslims in the United Kingdom, saying that many feel targeted like "the Jews of Europe". What can be done to curb the growing fear of Islam in Britain? Let us know what you think.

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There are plenty of countries to emigrate to that practice Sharia law, which will never be accepted in this country.

Get used to it, adapt and fit in. Otherwise, find a more appropriate place for you to live.

Banning police posters with dogs in it is just simply ridiculous - most people in this country do not have a phobia for posters portraying canines inspired by some fairy tale deity.

If Muslims cannot accept that Britain is a democratic, secular state then they should consider emigrating to a more suitable place to live.
The vast majority of people here do not want anything to do with Islam, let alone having it rammed down their throats.

The claim that Muslims are being singled out in a manner that other minorities no longer face is farcical. In Britain it is a crime to incite hatred against Muslims by, for example, asserting that Muslims are all terrorists, but it is still acceptable for influential Christian and Muslim community leaders to assert that, for example, gays spread disease or are all paedophiles. What we are actually witnessing is theists, used to having their own way in communities where they form the dominant majority, demanding the right to continue to discriminate against and demonise other minorities, whose distress receives the response that they should be less thin-skinned, whilst demanding that similar treatment for themselves is unacceptable.

I live in an area where we have Muslims living peacefully and partially integrated into our society. But there are many areas where Muslims vociferously condemn our way of life and want Sharia law. We do not allow our own Christian church to dictate to us, so we definitely won't allow Muslims to do that. Unfortunately these zealots have given all Muslims a bad name, hence the hostility. So , in frustration, our natural reaction is to say if you don't like our country, then please leave.

It is very bad to hear that there is a racism against musilms,because Britian is a democratic and not to treat them as a victim of 7th july.

What the hell has this to do with the Jewish people ?. There is no similarity whatsoever,once again the Moslems are obsessed with JEWS!!
Trying to obtain unearned and undeserved sympathy by invoking centuries of suffering by others is sickening and typically Islamic.

Well, "Stuart," you've managed to prove that you hate Jews and Americans. But you have failed to demonstrate that Muslims are being victimized.

The usual hysterical "islamophobic" rubbish we've come to expect from the Indy. Yeah, muslims are so terrorised by the evil infidels that a thousand of them can march thru the streets of London demanding a new Holocaust and
"Death To Infidels" and no-one raises a hand to stop them. Muslim terrorists can plot murder and yet our liberal courts allow them out of prison. Channel 4 can expose muslim hate speech in British mosques and yet the police try and prosecute the film-makers rather than the ranting immans. Comparisons to the persecution of the Jews are ludicrous ... when did the Jews plot hundreds of terrorist attacks against the Europe of the 1930s ? When did Jews demand that society change to fit in with their religion ? When did Jews riot in the streets because someone drew a cartoon of Moses ? When did Jews cut off the heads of Christians who slandered their religion in a film (does the Indy remember Theo Van Gogh ?). The Indy needs victims so their pathetic guilt-striken, middle class, liberal dhimmi writers can feel better about themselves. Sorry luvvies it ain't going to work this time - too many of us actually KNOW what islam is all about.

How can they possibly feel like the Jews of Europe? The Jewish people are not an aggressive people whose ambition is to rule the world. Anything within our democracies that offends muslims is whinged about and highlighted by the muslim community. They are their own worst enemy. What, unlike the Jews, have they offered the world in science, the humanities, the arts and tolerance. It is an insult to the Jewish people for muslims to compare themselves with such an intelligent, learned people who have never offered violence to their western domiciles. What sick thinking - their envy and hatred of the Jews is appalling - and all written in the 'Noble Quran', plain for all to see. There is only take - no give and certainly no tolerance for inferior non-muslims.

The muslims want to dress differently and live differently from the rest of the world.... go figure. If you do not want to fit in then you must expect some attention

Its about time that non-muslim immigrants who want and have integrated into British society and more importantly embraced British values and culture (that's why we came here in the first place, right?) to stand up an be heard. My family came to Britain to embrace the British ideal and Western secularism, not to be surrounded by religious zealots who's faith without reason know no bounds.

Enough already.

it is pitiful for so many morons to make comments which tell so much of their despising character (yes!reish kash, steve , sean oregon!), but take this you morons: islam does not and will never feel threatened by the like of you who pollute this planet with their bigorty and shameful ignorance... we dont have to be compared to jews or christians or americans! Your friends are the daily newspapers in britain ( tabloids) mainly who pitifully distort the facts and the truth to sell their rubbish... my advice to all you excited morons ( islamophobes?) to take time and seek the truth about islam. islam has survived worst than this !!!!!!! so get your mates in the media and whoever to plot with your writers ie amis( you are scum!). You are too low in my view to even start a discussion, may be you should listen to Lord Phillips and the Archbishop if you are pretending to be RIGHT and good christians and to sean usa.. read the Quran in its context.. may i remind you how many americans embraced ISLAM after 9/11 when they discovered it. why not try and ask them why did they do that sean?

Riding on the back of the Jewish persecution is disgraceful. Honour killings are barbaric, gender apartheid together with the four wives practice does not fit into present day Britain. We are all expected to value their presence whilst they will not assimilate and integrate. Jews however, did integrate and were vital to all aspects of British society through learning and reasoning. We've now got nurses shifting beds to face east five times a day....what next? Male doctors in France have been beaten trying to deliver their babies because this doesn't suit the husbands. Ridiculous. Why are we bending over backwards to accommodate this worse than terrible ideology whilst they leech off the benefit system ONLY demanding more. Get rid of the 38 Islamic Councils, stop building mosques and give child benefit to ONLY the first child and let the families be responsible for the rest. These people are free to join their fellow Islamists in a variety of countries....why don't they just go! UK tolerance is wearing thin. Jews through education have produced a wide variety of Nobel prize winners, what have the one billion Muslims produced, maybe seven and one of those, Arafat was given it for Peace...hmmmm...I rest my case.

Malik feeding insecurity and fear to look like the saviour of Muslims again, the Indy should visit Dewsbury and ask what Muslims and Brits think of their MP (not with Malik in tow or his "recommendations").

Neither Muslims or Brits are happy with him, he has brought nothing but trouble since he arrived and quite amusing that he doesn't mention that he and his Labour cronies use the "Fear Factor" in local Council elections even putting out leaflets attacking a Muslim Councillor (who is a decent guy) for having the BNP Councillor as a friend.

Yes only in Dewsbury.

Many of the comments seem to prove that the Islamophobia they say doesn't exist is indeed alive and well. . At the same time, the muslim world seems to do it's best to assist--just when things simmer down, some
idiots want to have a teacher arrested because she allowed a kid to use the prophet's name for a bear.
At the same time, people have forgotten how xenophobic the British are--the muslims are the last off the boat and are getting the traditional British welcome for foreigners. As some muslims --especially some women--keep aspects of their dress, this makes them easier to identify.
At the same time, those who have problems with headscarves should consider that we don't fault nuns, orthodox Jewish women, older Mediteranean area women of a certain age, from wearing head coverings. Call it a babushka and leave it be.
However the muslim community needs to understand that those in their ranks most quoted are perceived as illogical, having moved to a culture they wish to tut-tut about--well, if you didn't like the culture why move to it? The muslim community doesn't seem to have taken a strong stand against honor killing. Let's face it, if they ostracised those that did it, pronto, and
made sure other muslim commuities gave no sanctuary for those who committed them, it would stop. But can some other communities say they are better?
To the culture bashers, muslims have given us algebra, Nobel winning Naquib Mafouz, some great music, foods that are good and good for you. Not every western culture--especially today--is producing great culture. Think the Qu'ran is violent? Read the Old Testament--more than one Biblical scholar has agreed that if an individual carried out some of the acts the deity allegedly did--killing not only the offenders but women, children, their animals, sowing the ground with salt, etc--they'd be up for war crimes or presidency of Serbia (or both). OK, employment by Blackwater.
Let's face it, those that have committed massive racial violence have more likely been WASP's, Germans, Catholics, Shintoists, or communists, than muslims. Not to say muslims are incapable of acts of genocide--ask the Armenians-- but the non-muslims don't have much to be smug about. Stopped genocide in Darfur, have we? Who was at the rape of Nanking--muslims? Don't think there were muslims at Katyn woods, the enslavement of the Congo, the killing of American Indians or Pacific aborigines, etc. (However Muslims also need to realize they have done a truly lackluster job of investigating and apologizing for the enslavement of Africans and their abject failure to halt the slavery that still exists today in the muslim world, which often tends to be slavery of darker skinned by lighter skinned--in short racist as well as oppressive).
So enough of finger pointing. Each group needs to turf out our extremists. Let them go to Sudan, Serbia, or somewhere similar. The rest of us should learn to tolerate the other--that means non muslims tolerating muslims, and muslims not getting bent out of shape by mini skirts and the like. Don't like 'em? Go to a country that's burquified, but please, please muslims, do NOT bring back the maxi, or moderates will join the opposition en masse!

Hey fraser (no relation I hope) - how long have you been a convert ? And what won you over to islam - the way they treat women ? They way they hate Jews ? The fact that apostates are punished with death ? The way they tolerate other religions (hello Saudi !) ? The way Mohammed called for those who insulted him to be butchered ? The marriage to 9 year olds ?
The problem for you islamists isn't that we don't know about islam but it's that thanks to the internet we know a lot about it. The lies about being a Religion of Peace don't stand any more - we've read the Koran, we've seen the Hadiths, we know about Sharia Law. Islam got away with hiding it's true nature for 1400 bloody years but now, in the modern age, we can shine a spotlight on it as see it for what it really is. And if islam is so wonderful why do so many muslims flee to infidel countries to escape islamic ones ? And by the way if islam doesn't feel threatened by anyone why do so many of you run about screaming and foaming at the mouth when someone draws a cartoon of your great leader?

I am not a fan of religions, but even I can see a difference between them in terms of acceptability. If I were to rate Islam on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a -20, for it excels at making people arrogant, ignorant and obnoxious. Why are Muslims surprised that they are disliked in the West? They don't belong here.

"At the same time, people have forgotten how xenophobic the British are--the muslims are the last off the boat and are getting the traditional British welcome for foreigners."

Yeah,gina, the British are so xenophobic that most of our cities are over a third recent immigrants.Your ignorance of Britain is painful..the muslims aren't the last off the boat (most people fly in nowdays)the latest immigrants are Poles. And how do you explain the lack of animosity towards Hindus ? And as for your pathetic attempts at moral equivalence..try doing some historical reasearch. The muslims invented the African slave trade but you don't see many black people in Saudi do you ? That's right the African slaves were all castrated. How many Hindus were slaughtered when the muslims invaded the Indian subcontinent ? Try tens of millions. Really, gina, your "The Old Testament is bad too" is so lame ! How many Christians take the Old Testament seriously ? How many Christians behead unbelievers in the 21st Century ? Your sad attempt to make islam just like all other cultures shows your ignorance of the subject. Try going to Saudi Arabia with your little "Coexist" bumper sticker and see what happens...

I'd like to think that collectively we are aiming to raise our consciousness. But, when I see the intolerance and some of the vehemance in the comments posted, I find it very sad.
We all have different viewpoints, and attitudes, some come from our backgrounds, faith, family or just trying to reason and experience the truth of the situation.
When I look at the numbers killed in Iraq, and the times a country has gone to war for religion, wealth, or percieved injustices I realize that our consciousness is actually being lowered, we are basing our comments from a state of fear, when in fact you are more likely to die from a bee sting than a terrorist bomb, or in Australia where I live, from a falling branch.
Try and look for the essence of the person you really are, don't react from fear, or ignorance.

I am 16 yrs old and at this early age i already feel that Muslims are being targeted for sucide bombings and any other violent acts which are commited. If there is any crime or anything bad happening then it is defo Muslims doin it. I think that it is mostly white christians who are against muslims because in my area they are living of benefits and cant take it that Muslims around them are much better than them (better quality of life) If theres something on the news about violence then the name Muslim is always mentioned

Muslims should get used to the idea that the UK is NOT a Muslim country. If any Muslim doesn't like the way the UK is, they should go someplace else, even those who were born in the UK.

All immigrants should assimilate. Why else would you have migrated?

I'm an ex-pat living in the US, where my family has assimilated. It helps that the locals speak something approximating English, though even after 40,years, there are still occasional misunderstandings.

Frankly, even though I'd like to repatriate, I suspect the England I knew is long gone, so we'll stay where we are.

A comment from my UK-based sister when she last visited us in Anacortes was that this particular corner of Washington State was where "God went on his holidays". We think it's good enough for that.

"If theres something on the news about violence then the name Muslim is always mentioned"

Hmm...wonder why that might be ? If you're talking about muslim suicide bombers murdering passengers on a Tube train in the name of islam then muslims might be involved. If you're talking about muslim extremists murdering 200 people in Madrid then muslims might be mentioned. If we're talking about aid workers being shot by the Taliban then muslims might be involved. If we're taliking about Thai Buddhists being beheaded by islamists then muslims might be involved. How about Indonesian Christian school girls being beheaded by muslims ? Russian schoolchildren murdered by muslims ? Jewish students in France ? Dutch filmmakers ? Christian priests in Turkey? German tourists in Egypt ? Jews in Argentina ? Jews in Seattle ? Shias in Pakistan ? Africans in Darfur ? All killed because they weren't muslims or the right type of muslims.

THE DISGUSTING RACIST,IGNORANT,BIGOTED FILTH DIRECTED AT MUSLIMS ON THIS SUBJECT CLEARLY SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF WORK MUSLIMS HAVE TO PROMOTE THE TRUE MESSAGE OF ISLAM TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BLIND TO EDUCATION AND OBTAINING KNOWLEDGE.THE RELIGION OF ISLAM HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE MUSLIMS MISGUIDED BY UNLEARNED BIGOTS WHOSE ACTIONS HAVE FUELLED THE TABLOID MEDIA FEEDING LOW INTELLIGENCE READERS WITH INACCURATE INFORMATION (LIES) .THIS RESULTING IN COMMENTS THAT WE ARE WITNESSING ON THIS BOARD. I ADVISE THE ANY NON MUSLIM TO TRAVEL TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND VISIT COUNTRIES LIKE ,ISRAEL PALESTINE,SYRIA,YEMEN YOU WILL FIND CHURCHES SYNAGOGUES,OVER 1400 YEARS OLD (YES DURING THE REIGN OF ISLAMIC EMPIRE).ARE YOU AWARE THE KEY HOLDER TO THE CHURCH OF NATIVITY IN BETHLEHEM THE HOLIEST PLACE TO CHRISTIANS IS HELD BY A MUSLIM WHO PROTECTS THE SITE.THIS HAS BEEN THE TRADITION FOR OVER 1400 YEARS.THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE TRUE ISLAM WHICH STILL EXISTS.

If ever there was a non-issue. this is it. We all, Xtians, Jews, Moslems atheists, whatever, are bound in community by British law. If individuals want to introduce into a contract or agreement, concepts derived from Sharia which are compatible with public policy, good luck. But change the law to accommodate a minority view that might curtail the rights of a citizen (or a minor), NO!

Come on. When Muslims blow up innocent people around the world and proclaim it is done in the name of Islam, do not call the people who take them at their word bigoted or Islamaphobic. I hear the quote from moderate Muslims "Why do they hate us". They shouldn't hate you, but it is a stupid question. They hate you because other Muslims, in the name of their religion blow people up, slit throats,are outraged at a picture of a puppy, and you, the moderate muslims don't make much of an effort to convince us that most of you do not condone these actions. A picture of a puppy on a police advert causes Muslim outrage, but demonstrations calling for the death of the Kaffir, or posters for sale in Muslim shops lauding the "magnificent 19" who destroyed the World Trade Center do not arouse any apparant outrage from you at all.Your problems are being caused by your own people, and unless you make it clear where you stand, things will become much worse for you when the next truly horrific attack occurs in Britain.

Didn't ask for them, don't need them and don't want them.

Well it's no wonder the UK is getting Islamophobia, the courts are releasing known terrorists back out into the population and the chief Judge thinks Sharia Law is a good idea in the UK. It's about time the UK gets a good case of Islamaphobia!! Get some spine and tell the panty-waist liberals that you do not want to become part of Eurabia, keep your terrorists locked up or execute them, and maintain your countries' English based law. If others want Sharia law then let them go to some place that has it. Adopt to English ways if you want to live in England.

We are having similar problems in the U.S. with immigrant assimilation....but good Lord, the UK is off the deep end and loosing it's identity if you believe half of what we read in the papers.

If, for their own ends, our leaders want to fight wars and kill innocent people; they must reassure the conscience of the ‘good citizen’ by the propaganda that bestialises the enemy. Like any lie, it feeds the bigotry of the mindless. ( And those responses are expressed here. ) However they want to describe themselves, the ordinary Muslim has every reason to feel discriminated against in our society. Democracy makes us all responsible for the deaths and terrible injury to many thousands of Iraqi and Afghani children. We should be ashamed at what we have done, not trying to find excuses for it. democraticbritain.org.uk

If the Muslims feel like jews it's their own fault. I grew up in a multi national community in B'ham. The law in Britain is British law not Sharia, the Muslims do not integrate so if they want Sharia law go and live in an appropiate country. They are anti-Christian, when can anyone tell me was a Christian church built in a Islamic country. No more Mosques should be built in Britain until a church is built in a islamic country. Christians stand firm. Ex-pat Brummie

Well simple,go live in a islamic country,England will never ever be one because we like to live in 21st Century not the 7th,
this is England love it or leave it

Anyone who has seen Muslim families from the inside knows that they oppress women and girls, who are constantly made to feel inferior to fathers, brothers and other males, forced to defer to them, wait on them, vote as they are told by them, choose educational and career goals according to their demands. Muslim women are prevented from learning English, learning to drive, gaining access to family money,taking a full, or indeed any, part in society and are made to wear unsuitable, impractical Islamic dress while their men wear Western clothes.
Why on earth we should not object to this backward, primitive way of life, which has nothing in common with our society or civilisation I have no idea. And as for the comparison between Jews and Muslims, it's laughable - as far as I know, we are not killing Muslims, though they have several times managed to kill or maim many of us. I don't think it's possib;le to be both Muslim and British, since any Muslim's allegiance is first to Islam. So if life here is incompatible with their beliefs, their laws and their customs, they should go somewhere they find more congenial and leave us to live in the way we chose long before they arrived.

It's so easy to get caught up in emotion with this whole subject. We read something - it triggers an emotion - and we react - without contemplation and without compassion.

Certainly it has triggered an emotion in me (mainly sadness), and I've sat here trying to put it all together in some kind of comprehensive way, in order to express myself and have my voice heard. All I can do is consider the facts that I KNOW...

1. PROPOGANDA is extremely powerful... can we really believe everything we read? No extremist can succeed without the assistance of manipulative words and powerful images.. and the very thing they depend on - is that we feel an emotion and react! As a country we too are victims of propoganda.. The powers that be - know that the easiest way to rule and control a country is to create fear within its people!!

Although I'm not a muslim myself - I live among a muslim community at the moment, and have been totally ashamed by the ungrounded fears that I have experienced of my local community - ALL of them are born from UK propoganda.

2. Christians from the UK have gone out into the world to spread the message of Christ. They have succeeded in converting millions. As a nation we have arrogantly convinced indigenous tribes that our way is better than their own traditions. I know of an island in Indonesia where the religion is more or less split 50/50 Muslim and Christian - AND they live harmoniously side by side... The media in the area employ both muslims and christians and ensure that all news is BALANCED.. But I ask myself... What right did Christians have to land on this island and convert half of the population? And what right do we have to complain when other religions land on our own doorstep and try to convince us that their way is best?

3. ALL truly religious and spiritual people are coming from a place of peace. Any acts of violence are made by control seeking nasty people - who use religion to justify their behaviour. We cannot put all muslims in the same box... and we need to be extremely mindful of who in fact benefits from these acts of terror, and who suffers... We can be sure that many truly spiritual people from both sides will suffer.. while the nasties (who are also from both sides) battle it out for control or money.

In conclusion - I think the media have a responsibility to print balanced news, which would mean not just printing what is delivered to them - and creating headlines which provoke fear - but actively seeking out the other side to the story - and creating powerful headlines which provoke emotions of peace..

I also think that we need to not blame acts of terrorism onto any religion.. Terrorists are a race unto themselves.. hiding behind a mask of religion.

In addition to this - we also need to consider - who, within our "own camp", would benefit from us believing that we are under threat...

Reis Kash comments reflect his simple mentality in believing the political propaganda emanating from the likes of Bush. Very naive man/woman.

Basically Reis, Muslims are sitting on oil. The 'Christian' West wants it. The 'Christian' leaders denigrate those who are sitting on the oil in order to ''soften'' them up for war.

(I put 'Christian' in apostrophes as I don't want to malign the faith, which is a sister religion to Islam and has common principles)

I am shocked and surprised by the level of hatred and hostility displayed by many posters towards Muslims. That is not to say that I agree with the article.

The Jews remain the Jews of Europe. One could in fact write exactly the same things about British Jews - high levels of security needed, frequent and growing numbers of attacks. The only difference is that the Jewish community is richer and can guard its synagogues better.

The writer says "Anti-Semitism is recognised as an evil, noxious creed, and its adherents are barred from mainstream society and respectable organs of opinion." This is simply untrue. Put an anti-Zionist hat on and you can spew whatever hatred you wish. People are also starting to elide any difference between Zionists and Jews. Try reading the Guardian almost very day if you want to find the purest Jew-hatred.

The claim that "All over Europe, parties of the far right have been dropping their traditional hostility to minorities such as Jews and homosexuals; in Britain, the BNP has come to realise that anti-Semitism and anti-black campaigning won't work if they are serious about electoral success." is also misleading. It is true that the nature of campaigning has changed in the way described but reports continually show that these parties, the BNP above all, have not dropped their hatred of Jews or Blacks.

As an Iranian woman I am appauled by behaviour of some of these Muslims in western countries. These people should remember that they are here to respect the culture if they can not change themselves they should not be here. They should be reminded that in their own countries like where I come from the western culture is not tolerated. And for the love of God I don't understand these young Muslim girls wearing tight tight jeans, tight tops and that rediculous scarf that is not allowing one hair out. It just does not make sense. And any woman covering her body from head to toe with cloth is an insult to humanity and womanhood.
I was consumed with anger when fundamentalists in Canada were forcing shariat law for Muslims. We got lucky that the Parliment did not approve it.
I came to west to be away from all that and I don't like it when I see it here. I am hoping for progressive Iran. And I know it will happen because of her brave women.

Mr Malik would do well to remember that the native British people have never had the opportunity to agree to the very high levels of immigration that has occurred from so many countries. The delibrate suppression of women by many muslim communities is abhorent to us and that is probably the main reason why I wish they would go back to where they came from, they are nothing but trouble.

My resentment is not directed at Muslims per se, rather at the liberal establishment which continues to pander to extremists. We tend to forget that there are many other minority groups in the U.K. living happily and minding their own business. Why radical Muslims are given so much air time never fails to baffle me. Frankly, I'm sick to death of being told how I should feel about / treat Muslims, and yes you - The Independent - is one of the biggest offenders in this respect.

I agree with His Excelleny Mr. Minister.Assalam-alaikum!

Why are we insensitive to the religious feelings of Muslims? Maybe it's because we wonder why anyone would use religion as an excuse to kill. I'm not Christian,I am a Hindu. but I'm aware that they and other Western religions have done the same. I don't condone religion as an excuse to kill ANYONE. The only justifiable reason to kill is self defense, and only if there is not way to incapacitate. Maybe it's also because we don't understand a religion that is still preaching, in the majority, the oppression of women who are not able to go to school or even work from home, in an age where women are acknowledged in just about every other place as being equal in intelligence, if not strength, to men. Not that there aren't dumb women, but there are definitely also dumb men. It equals out.

What other way could we be considered as being insensitive to the feelings of Muslims? We don't insist that Muslim women give up their coverings in the West, unlike Muslims who insist that any non-Muslim woman in one of their countries should dress like their women do. We don't insist that you worship the way we do. Most Western countries have freedom of religion.

Mr. Minister can you please educate us more, we have great respect for you.Did you know most Universities in USA do not have Holy book of Quran.I am ready to learn from you. Please help me.

I remain

Yours Sincerly

Jews are like Muslims! I don't recall Jewish suicide bombers. I don't recall Jews threatening to kill non-believers. I don't recall Jews actively seeking converts. Jews are as much like Muslims as the Sahara Desert is like the Arctic

I cannot think of one of my muslim freinds who would agree with this story whatsoever.

The xenophobic morons here in the comments section do not understand Islam or Muslims and do not represent the opinions and intelligence of the majority of people in the UK.

Muslim minister says the Muslims feel like the Jews of Europe???and how many Jewish ministers were ther in Hitler's Germany?

The differenc being of course that Jews were performing a vital contribution to European society prior to the Holocaust and were indistinguishable in many respects from the indigenous population. Unfortunately, as polls have confirmed, many Muslims in modern-day Europe reject Western society and its values and wish to destroy it. So the comparison is fundamentally flawed.

Racism? Islam is not a race. It is a religion, a creed, a belief. Humans are endowed with the capacity to think critically. They are responsible for what they believe and the consequences of acting on their beliefs. I have read the Koran 3 times, from cover to cover, in two languages, since I was 18, I am now 60. I re-read passages regularly. Similarly to the Bible, but more viciously, the Koran calls for the murder of non-believers, forced conversion and the subordination of women to men, repeatedly, amongst a heap of other incantations. If you are a muslim you accept the Koran as the word of god and it is your duty to follow it. Those who say differently have simply never read the Koran or are liars. Muslim fundamentalists are in fact those who take the Koran seriously. The majority of muslims who let their natural humanity come through over the fanatic and toxic religious belief, are, according to the Koran, not better than other kafirs. To those who let their natural humanity and intelligence triumph over the noxious religious creed, I say: welcome to our common humanity. To those who choose to define themselves first and above all as muslims, christians, jews, calathumpians or other religious belief, and deem that those who do not believe like them are damned, may they themselves be damned. Wearing ostentatiously religious dress or signs, is a declaration of contempt for other people, an insult to our common humanity. As such it deserves the, peaceful but clear, expression of our contempt and disapproval. There are several countries which are safe for fanatic muslims and do not tolerate other religions. They are an example of the application of the Koran. Recently in France, muslims complained of racism when some coucils had forbidden the closure of some swimming pools to all but non-muslim women at certain times. Racism? who is discriminating? Let's begin to respect decency, humanity, reason, reasonableness and tolerance for all except the intolerants, such as "real" followers of the Koran, the Bible and the Torah. Abrahamic religions are a cancer of the mind and a perversion of the spirit, among others, which we must overcome quickly if humanity is to progress.

The usual sensationalist nonsense from The Independent. On the one hand they're saying Muslims feel like the new Jews of Europe and everyone is picking on them, on the other hand people are talking about introducing certain parts of sharia law. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that this is going to provoke fear and anger which brings us to the real reason for suggesting such legislation. Fear, anger, division = weakness = control. We need to realise that over 80% of the population do not practice religion in any way, shape or form and then work out why the government and their friends in the media would want to put so much emphasis on it. The cold war had us living in fear of both nuclear attack and invasion by the red peril for years. Those fears have long gone and people started questioning what our own leaders and big business were up to, especially with regards to the state of our planet, corruption, inequality etc. so now they're looking for new (or old?) ways to divide us to help keep our attention away from the real issues. I've read quite a few postings on here from people from Islamic countries who agree that Britain shouldn't have sharia law and in fact came here to get away from it. This proves that not all muslims believe in sharia law and many do want to integrate. Unfortunately any time our leaders stir things up you will get some muslims that will fall into their trap and become more radicalised just as many indigenous brits posting here do likewise and it's all down to FEAR. Don't take your eye off the ball.

Well it looks like that's it then. You'll be leaving soon? We need you like a hole in the head. Good riddance!

Yes i'm afraid it's true,they are being singled out.

For better treament,more grants more benefits,more rights than any British born native could ever dream of receiving.
They even receive benefits when they own and receive rent on the house next door.
No use telling them to move to a Muslim country,we make them far too cosy here.
Two million Muslims in Britain,my arse.

One reason muslims face hostility is the unwillingness of many to respect the cultural values of Britain. When British women visit muslim countries (or mosques in Britain) they show respect for the local culture by covering their heads.
Many Muslim women refuse to show(or are prevented by their male relatives from showing) the same respect by removing their head coverings when they come to a secular society that believes in gender equality.
If you ask me to respect your values, but do not respect mine, resentment rises.

The Muslim faith has traditionally been very aggressive and unaccommodating. It is about converting and destroying - see the Genocide of the Armenians and the destruction of Greek churches in Smyrna, Constantinople, Cappadocia and Greece itself. The frequent murder of Catholic priests in the middle east and the constant harassment or Coptics in Egypt. Saudi Arabia produces and disseminates texts full of hatred to school children and will not allow churches or congregations in its own country. If Muslims want to be respected then they should treat others equally, give Christians rights in Muslim countries and stop hiding behind the veil of persecution.

all this whingeing about religions really is boring,we all know that religion is the root of all evil regardless of what faith.from the crusaders to the fantics of today,they all love to kill things in the name of their faith.when the leaders of these faiths start pulling themselves into line then perhaps the slow minded followers will copy them.But as long as my backside looks downwards this will never happen,because all religions cannot preach without condemming other faiths

Could the Indy please drop that ludicrous terminology "Islamophobia"! I have never met anyone who is "Islamophobic". Not even the BNP is "Islamophobic". A phobia is an irrational fear.
Of course, a lot of people (including BNP members, of course) dislike aspects of Islam, but disliking is different from fearing. Furthermore, by pre-judging people who oppose the rise of Islam in Britain as "irrational", you merely avoid having to argue your case.

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